Episode Transcript
[00:00:14] Speaker A: Hello, welcome to Call Out Like I See it, presented by Disruption Now, I'm
[00:00:19] Speaker B: James Keys, and in this episode of Call It Like I See it, we're going to discuss Juneteenth and its passage as a federal holiday.
And also whether the way Juneteenth has apparently become more accepted over time in America may be something we can expect to happen with other things relating to matters of how race and American history are thought of and, you know, ways to teach it and so forth.
We'll also take a look at some recent reports on how antidepressants in waterways may be changing the behavior of the animals that live in those waterways.
Joining me today is a man who doesn't bend, break, fold, or scratch. If you scroll down his mental Rolodex, you will see these are words he just doesn't know.
Tunde.
[00:01:07] Speaker A: Ogonlana Tunde.
[00:01:09] Speaker B: You ready to get it down today?
[00:01:11] Speaker A: I'm ready.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: All right. All right. Now we're recording this on June 22, 2021, and last week, U.S. congress passed a bill making Juneteenth a federal holiday and passed it by a landslide. Unanimous in the Senate and just overwhelming support in the House of Representatives. And President Biden signed it into law.
Now, Juneteenth celebrates, or I should say it is meant to commemorate and allow for celebration of the day that Major General Gordon Granger rode into Galveston, Texas. And this was on June 19, 1865, and he spread the news of the Emancipation Proclamation, which had been issued two years before, outlawing slavery in the Confederate States. So it's commemorating the day when everyone gets word that this is the now, now the law of the land, at least in the Confederate States. And so it's the end of slavery officially, everybody knows now in the United States.
So, you know, that that's a day that's worthwhile to. To commemorate. You know, we celebrate Independence Day, so it could almost be thought of in it as a. As a follow up to that. But it wasn't always something that had such overwhelming support.
But recently it hasn't. As recently as 2020, a bill trying to make this a federal holiday did not pass.
So, Tunde, seeing this holiday and also just how this has unfolded in the last couple of weeks and this overwhelming support for it, what stands out to you about Juneteenth and also just its recent passage as a federal holiday?
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Great question, man. It's interesting. I think, as you asked me that question, it's a similar answer that comes to mind as the one just from a couple weeks ago when we did The Tulsa massacre conversation.
One of the things that stands out to me, just like that one, is I didn't learn about this Juneteenth, what it was and what it means until I was in my 30s.
So just. And I start off like that by saying that's kind of what stands out to me is that it's another example of something that seems to be, you know, somewhat of a big deal in terms of milestone in American history that we didn't learn as part of our regular curriculum of American history when we were just going to school, whether it be elementary, high school, or even at the university level, just in basic American history classes. I'm not talking about advanced, you know, college history degree level courses. So.
[00:03:46] Speaker B: Well, I mean, we learned that slavery ended, but in terms of there being a day that this officially spread throughout, like the, The. The final. The nail. The final nail in the coffin, so to speak, we. We never learned that there was that. That's something that people actually have documented and can commemorate.
[00:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah, and I think it gives a little more nuance and texture to the history because, like you mentioned, and it's not just.
This isn't only about American history and it's not only about the topic of, let's say, slavery, but I think most of our history of humanity is taught kind of quickly, and a lot of details are kind of just passed over. So this idea, like you said, we know that obviously slavery existed in the United States, and we were taught about that from a kind of basic level. But this idea that a guy named Abraham Lincoln came through kind of waved a wand with this thing called the Emancipation Proclamation and just, you know, declared everyone free. And it would kind of get this feeling like somehow it just happened, you know, and.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: Well, yeah, we grew up in a time with like, national television and things like that. So to us, when a proclamation is made by the President, you don't think of the fact that everybody might not hear about it right away.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And that's what I mean. Like the fact it took two and a half years to get from the President's mouth to the last group of people on the. On the furthest western town of slavery in Galveston, Texas.
That's what I mean. Like, that makes you think, wow, two and a half years is a long time. A lot of people had to live through getting this information kind of rolling over time and over the distance of, like you say, the large mass of this country.
And a lot of stuff probably was happening over that period of time, both positive and negative. So it just that's what I mean. It contextualizes and gives a little bit more nuance just to our own history as Americans. And I think another thing that it does, which is positive, is it continues to break down this wall that somehow there's like this, like, black history and then American history.
This is just American history. And it happens to be one part of a chapter that involves slavery and black people, but it's all part of our greater history as Americans combined. So that's what, to me, kind of stood out about it.
Is that, again, something important that I feel like I learned as an adult, not in regular history class as a kid? Yeah, yeah.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: I mean, to me, one of the things that, like, along a similar line like that. Yeah, this was not a part of the normal history that I was being taught when I was growing up. You know, this thing. Now, I have learned, though, that in different parts of the country, it was, you know, like. So, for example, in Texas, Juneteenth has been a bigger deal for a longer time, from what I understand. It's been for more than 40 years. It's been a state holiday in Texas, you know, and so it kind of gives you more of a regional texture, you know, because I guess the event, what they were celebrating actually happened in Texas. So they have taken it for a longer period of time more seriously. And people may have learned about it in school, but yet from a national standpoint, it's not something that really had salience. So what stood out to me, though, really was beyond that. I think, you know, and I already mentioned that. I think it's. It's cool in the sense that, you know, this is kind of a second Independence Day type of thing. Like, you know, all of the stuff that was promised, you know, when the Declaration of Independence and all that stuff didn't really get. Wasn't even tried to be delivered to everyone else. And so this is kind of another step along that pathway. You can look at the beginning of it as the Emancipation Proclamation, which only actually outlawed slavery in the Confederate states, the one that seceded, not the ones that the slave states that didn't secede, the Emancipation Proclamation did not outlaw slavery in. But nonetheless, I mean, that's. That's a nuanced, textured point to. That matters. But for the purposes of this discussion, you don't really need to go into it, but the. How the Emancipation Proclamation and then its final execution. So you have the Emancipation Proclamation, and then there's this lag of time. People lived and died in that time and everything like that's real time. And that's to us, we look back at it 100 some years later, like it's okay, yeah, two years later, and then you find it. But that's a big deal, you know, but nonetheless, so you can celebrate the, the actual act, or you can celebrate when the actual act was actually fully implemented, so to speak. And I think it's nice, you know, that the full implementation can be represented and be something that's part of our national discussion. And. But the thing that's really stood out to me the most about it is how it's just wild to me that for so long there was just like, oh, no, we're not going to do this. Oh, it's too expensive to do a federal holiday. This. And all these, all these reasons, as I've called them, you know, a lot of times before, emotional, emotional off ramps of people who just don't want to do something. They just come up with reasons why they don't want to do it when they, because they could just say, I just don't want to do it. And, but they don't, you know, say, oh, well, you know, federal holidays, it's just too much. You know, it's. Why would we do that? They already get too many days off of work. What are you talking about? Congress, people saying people get too many days off of work is ridiculous because they don't work every day. But the, the fact that this went from, for decades, you know, people, I think we should, we can recognize Opal Lee, who has been kind of at the forefront of this as an activist trying to get this passed as a, as a federal holiday, and that people have been working on this for decades and it's been resistance, resistance, resistance. And then like, like the drop of a hat is just overwhelming support, like, oh, yeah, yeah, sure, let's all do it. And just that it could happen like that to me is forget the fact that our politics has been very partisan and rigid for a while now and not much working with each other and kind of horse trading behind the scenes, but just that people can be against it. And then all of a sudden like, yeah, yeah, sure, let's do it. Is amazing to me. You know, it's just like that people can flip like that. And it doesn't seem like there's an outcry either after all of this reversal, so to speak, of saying, okay, no, we're not going to do it. Okay, yeah, we're going to do it. And so it makes me wonder basically if a lot of the times the Fights we have over issues that are serious and are meaningful, more meaningful to some than others.
If a lot of times the resistance we deal with are just. I don't want to give someone else their way. Like, people who are fighting it don't really care that much. They're just like, no, I don't want them. I don't want them to get what they want. So I'm just going to come up with reasons why I disagree and we'll fight them over it and. But ultimately, I don't really care that much. It's like, it just makes me wonder, like, because this. I thought people were against this for a reason, and then lo and behold, they weren't.
They were just. They were just saying no for a while. And so, yeah, I just. That part about it, I'm still trying to unpack that. How it just, you know, happens automatically or just happens so quickly. Just like, you know, the next day comes up and it's like, okay, yeah, sure.
[00:10:44] Speaker A: When you've unpacked it and you got an answer, I'll be waiting.
I don't know.
[00:10:50] Speaker B: You might be waiting a long time. I know.
[00:10:51] Speaker A: That's my point. I won't hold my breath now because obviously we can't get into other people's heads of why, you know, they, they, they are for or against things. I think you're right. You know, that there's. I'm sure there's some psychological basic level of human beings that, you know, in terms of all of us, that, that, that there's something about just not letting your opponent get something right. Like it's, it's. Whether it's a bad marriage and two spouses going at each other, whether it's siblings that are.
[00:11:22] Speaker B: No, they say that actually, like, when. I guess this isn't a divorce. Like, we're talking about our political environment, but in, like, divorce, like, a lot of times the fighting is over relatively small things, and it's really about. I just don't want them to have it. Correct.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: Yeah. It's about ownership. And this is mine, not yours. And you're right, it could be a blade of grass on the lawn, but if it's my blade of gr.
You know, somehow you can't have it. Even though once I have this blade of grass, in about a week it'll be dried out and, you know, like, I won't. I won't have any good use for it. You know, it's not like water or food or something that's necessary. So I think there's, of course A part of that that permeates every political. Probably fight, you know, in this case,
[00:12:02] Speaker B: and probably just human interaction in general. Yeah.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: So I think all that is probably part of it. But I think, you know, there is.
It's interesting because it's backdropped against what I think today, let's just say literally in 2021 in the United States over the last decade, we know that there's been, quote, unquote, culture wars between different sides and different factions of our political landscape. And so, yeah, you're right. With all the other kind of quote, unquote, culture wars and racial kind of.
I hate to use the term tensions, but I guess that's what they are. They.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: Racial issues. Racial issues are particularly salient in the culture worlds.
[00:12:44] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying is with all that backdropped against everything we're discussing. Yeah, it just is interesting that this kind of just came out of nowhere. Like, it feels like it. Like you said, this lady, Opal Lee and a lot of other people were working hard for years, petitioning on behalf of this holiday and getting it passed as a federal holiday. But it's just. Yeah. Just the speed of which and the unanimous nature of it. I mean, look, it's refreshing, right, that, yeah, this. This didn't become another kind of, you know, quote, unquote, show, you know, kind of politically and everyone grandstanding. So hopefully that's, you know, show of some progress. But one of the things I wanted to mention is, you know, what this does is it also legitimizes, like I said, another part of American history that's been withheld from all of us. And that's what I mean, not just black people. Let's say this is important, great history for all white Americans to know because we share this country. So there was an article in Forbes magazine about.
About, you know, Juneteenth and what this means. It kind of coming from the corporate America lens. And there was a.
Just a reference to a black woman in Arizona who worked with. For a large national employer, and her name's Mrs. Striggles. And they say that basically she asked for Juneteenth, like the day off a few years ago, and she said that her superior, who was not black, basically said, you can't have that day off because it's not a real holiday.
And that was for her, that was the moment where she left that company and started her own business. And that's kind of what I realized when I'm reading that article is a lot of times in this country, what is actually important history for one group of people or one set of Americans is totally overlooked by another group and considered not to be of legitimacy. And I think what happens when this becomes a holiday like this becomes a federal holiday.
What it does is it legitimizes it for the national discussion and says, no, no, no, this actually happened, and this is enough that we're going to recognize it on this day. And I think, just like the removal of Confederate statues from public places is symbolic, that we're not going to honor this anymore. I think that just putting a holiday like this as a federal holiday is symbolic. To say we're going to acknowledge that this was a part of the whole American story and not just this group story.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: That's actually a good way to look at it, because what it is, basically, is you're incorporating more perspectives into kind of the national narrative.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:15:28] Speaker B: And the national narrative, as it has existed up until this point, has not necessarily had space for or allowed into it, the perspectives of other groups, you know, beyond the majority group. And so you're. Yeah, like you said, you're legitimizing that. You're bringing it into a part of the national narrative. So it's not just something you might hear about in February, Black History Month, but it's just part of American history. It's bringing it into the fold, which ultimately would seem to be progress in a nation where the history does involve more perspectives than just the perspective of the majority.
Well, let me say this also on that thought, because we see that also actually in play, and we talked about that when we talked about the Reconstruction documentary, because that was an example where there was a overt effort to bring into the national narrative the perspective of the Confederacy and the perspective of the secessionists. The people who left the country. They're like, there was the daughters of the Confederacy and everything they wanted. They didn't want the. As the narrative was taught back about this. They didn't want it to only be from the quote, unquote, union perspective. They also wanted it to be. Or they also wanted a narrative that existed and that was maintained from the Confederate perspective. And so it's not like this is some foreign concept that you want different perspectives into the shared national narrative or at least running alongside of the national narrative.
So, but to see that here happening in this context is. Is, I would say, progress in terms of just bringing, you know, putting together a melting pot, so to speak, because that is important to bring those different perspectives. If everyone's going to have agency and legitimacy in the country.
Yeah.
[00:17:16] Speaker A: And that's where I think this is what makes the America so unique.
Who knows if it's really unique over every other society? But I guess the uniqueness that I see being American and living here in our culture is this. We've talked about this in various shows, and I think recently in the one we did on the 100th anniversary of the Tulsa massacre is you have this competing ideology in America of the words of the Bill of Rights and all men are created equal.
And then the kind of practice of the history, unfortunately, that was chattel slavery and dividing this country on racial lines of who was dominant and who wasn't. So one of the things that is interesting to me is traditionally we know that history is written by the winner. Those who win wars, those who vanquish their foes, usually get to tell the story.
The uniqueness of American history, as you mentioned, is the Confederacy lost, but somehow they got to tell the narrative of the war and what happened. And it was this. They almost like, looked at as sympathetic by the American culture going forward. And so I mean to.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: One thing that should be acknowledged in that, though, just to add on, you can. You can finish. But the.
The Confederate people after. After the Confederacy lost, there was a concerted effort to make that happen. It wasn't. It didn't just happen organically. Like, they actually really worked to make that over decades to make that happen. And so it kind of shows the level of effort that's needed in order to do that. Well, that.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: That shows you where those two competing ideologies in American culture finally. And this is what I'm saying, this is a lot of things in the LAT in recent years are very symbolic, but they're important because, like, we're talking about, this is a recognition that actually the Union won, slaves were freed, and that was a good thing, making this a federal holiday, because it forces us all to now have to talk about this narrative and not cover it up. And that's the other thing that it does, right. It brings us into new information. So a couple things I learned, and this is why, just to go over this really quickly, why these tensions remain in these culture wars. They're so close to us, and we forget, I think, in our sound bite economy. And it's the kind of way that media is, in our brains, going 1000 miles an hour every day. You know, Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968. I was born in 78. You know, that's 10 years before my birth. You know, my parents were alive. You know, all that kind of stuff.
And so this isn't like ancient history then you figure 1986 was the beginning of the Martin Luther King holiday when it was first implemented.
Well, it took until the year 2000 for all 50 states to acknowledge the Martin Luther King holiday. South Carolina being the last state in the year 2000. In the year 2000, James, you and I finishing up college, my point is saying that we're middle aged guys at this point in our 40s, but yet in our lifetime, even a decision about honoring Martin Luther King's just legacy and making that a national holiday was still being disputed by people who are still alive today.
So that's what I mean is that we don't appreciate this culture and these tensions, that they're just like existing and ongoing and we're fighting through them now. And that's what I'm saying is that's what makes this moment just another notch in the belt of progress.
Because you know, this is something that 30, 40 years ago would have probably not even been addressed at the national level.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: Well, no, two or three years ago wouldn't have been addressed and wasn't addressed, wouldn't refuse to be addressed at the national level.
And so I mean, I think that the idea of understanding the kind of the telling of the nation's history and as a narrative is a good concept to really understand when we're having these discussions and whose perspective is accounted for or included in the narrative or in the narratives that are officially sanctioned, so to speak.
So I wanted to move on and discuss this, this article, this research that we're seeing and basically what it gets into is how now any, any depressant use is widespread. You know, we can talk about America right now, but it's, you know, it's not something that's limited to America, but it's widespread in America. And one thing's about when you're, when you're doing the, taking the pharmaceuticals and so forth, they do excrete out of us, you know, like whether it's urine, you know, feces, everything like that. And then they make it ultimately into the waterways.
And what some researchers have been studying is whether or not when you have concentrations of these antidepressant drugs in the waterways, whether that affects the wildlife that lives in those.
And they found, for example, like more recent, some recent reporting and results that have come out where that crayfish change their behavior when in the presence of water, that is, that has the antidepressant concentrations in them. So tunde, there's a lot of different directions you can go here. Because obviously in our waterways means it's potentially back in our water source for ourselves. So we can look at it from kind of a self point of view, but then we also look at it from an environment point of view. Point of view here. So take it any direction you want. What's your reaction to this? That there's antidepressants in the water waterways sufficient to start changing behavior of organisms?
[00:22:53] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's interesting, man.
This isn't the first I heard about the levels of chemical drugs that we are prescribed that are in our water system. Like you said, the urination dumping of pills and all that down toilets. And again, it sounds like a little bit if you just dumped a bottle of P down your toilets. But you know, like you said, we got 300 million plus Americans, let's just say a million people a year did that flush two or three bottles a year worth of pills down the toilet just because they're old or whatever. That's a lot that goes into the waterways, right? And so.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: Well, that. But there's that. But then there's also that it's shown that these. That this stuff comes out in urine and stuff too.
There's nothing you can do about that though, is what I'm saying. Like, you can tell people to not dump bottles of pills into the toilet. There's nothing you can do about.
You can't tell people not the urine in the.
[00:23:48] Speaker A: No, I know, and that's what I mean. It's just all these combinations of how it gets in the system and the water stream and then into our earth, you know, like, meaning then the water is used to water lawns and all that. And it's in the grass. And not just crayfish, but I'm sure insects on land and all that are exposed to these things. And that's what I started thinking about.
It makes you think about obviously what else is out there, right? It's meaning chemicals not only in our water streams, but I'm sure there's air pollutants.
You think about it, we live in the flight path of an airport.
There's droplets of jet fuel falling on my roof. And every year that my community says we got to do pressure wash the roof. I'm sure all that goes in up my nose and in my body. So I just started thinking about things like, you know, cancer, for example, and other ailments that we all have as humans and how much of it might be caused by some of these artificial things that just get into our bodies that we don't realize. And then specifically on this one, when it talked about the change in behavior observed on a living organism, that's the newer part to me. I'd heard about these trace amounts in our drinking water and all that for years, but I'd never seen a study that actually showed that it has an actual effect on the behavior of an animal. And so what it did was it specifically on this one with the crayfish, basically made them more aggressive. The fact they had. Or maybe more excitable. Right. The fact that these antidepressants.
[00:25:22] Speaker B: So they spent, you know, like I said, a boulder.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: And 400 times more. They spent 400 times more time, I guess, foraging for food and not hiding. So they were saying that could make them more identifiable to predators and also could mean that they eat more of their prey than normal, which means if this really happened over a sustained period of time, it could totally disrupt the ecosystem where they live. So I thought that's similar, actually, which
[00:25:51] Speaker B: is similar, like, to what you see with invasive species where, you know, they. The change in behavior throws everything off. And this is. Wouldn't even be invasive. This would just be changing the environment in a way that causes native species to throw things off, correct?
[00:26:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's what I thought. It was just interesting because we could see, like, let's say, you know, researchers see a change in a natural habitat somewhere, but they don't really have an explanation why. Maybe there's things like this could be explaining why the animals are just acting different. Like, you're saying there may not be an invasive species or something new that happened to the ecosystem. It's just that there's these chemical components that maybe even researchers didn't think to kind of, like, study the water and all that and how much of this stuff is in there. And then the other part that came up to me was when you say about us, like, humans, our own mental health, you know, it just, I don't know if, you know, drinking tap water right now or like when we were kids, you know, on a hot summer day, we'd be playing outside and you go drink from the hose. Remember those days? Oh, yeah. And I don't know how much of that, you know, how much. What percentage of antidepressants is in there? Does that make a difference? But that's what I started thinking. Like, besides antidepressants, what else are we urinating out in mass that is then going back into our drinking water and is again, because the definition of this SSRI chemical that's in this drug that they studied, I'll quote from the article. These drugs are designed to alter human brain chemistry by increasing levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin, which helps regulate mood, happiness and anxiety. But they can also affect the neurochemistry of many non human animals. So I started thinking, well, that also affects our neurochemistry.
So when you talk about just this one SSRI kind of chemical, that there's trace amounts in the water. What other chemicals are there trace amounts of? And then what happens when all this mixes together inside of our brain chemistry? And so I just thought, you know, it's an interesting way to think we're altering ourselves slowly. It's kind of like climate change, like this slow moving aircraft carrier that you don't see all at once.
But just like climate change, after a while, you know, it, it, you see all the effects at once and it seems pretty scary. So let's hope that that crescendo doesn't happen with some sort of, you know, internal thing with humans.
[00:28:15] Speaker B: Well, I think it's already happening.
You know, like I think that we are seeing people engage potentially in more aggressive behaviors towards one another.
We're looking at things like social media, we're looking at all this stuff. But if this stuff is in our water supply now the question would be whether if it's in significant concentrations. But if you're drinking enough water, it depends that more so depends on how quickly we excrete it. So if you're sending your water supply and you're just drinking water normally, or you're cooking with it and whatever, then how much of it is building up in you to where, to where it may change everyone's behavior or change people that are more susceptible. Like the two things that you actually said it and I pulled them out. But the two things you got to put together here is in the water supply altering brain chemistry.
Those two things together are like, well, hold on. And it's a change in behavior of living things. Now I don't know that it's possible to study the extent to which this is going to, this could change just drinking it and the concentrations that are present in water supplies is going to change the behavior of a human being. But that to me is the big concern. So if we're doing things that are going to alter the brain chemistry en masse of people, then we're really going off the deep end here. Like we don't know what's going to happen if everybody's going to be walking around with low levels of this stuff. In their system.
And this stuff, the purpose of it is to change the way our brains work. And so, and then that, I mean that could be causing more of the problems that we need to these type of things to treat. And so it, to me, it takes us down a rabbit hole that I don't know where, I don't know that that ends, is going to end in a place that is place where we're going to feel comfortable. And you know, again, showing it the crayfish in this case or the canary. Is the canary in the coal mine or the crayfish in the lake? You know, it's, we're seeing this happen in a smaller organism. The extent to which it can change what's happening, you know, the way these things are acting. And we can surmise from that that hey there may, we may have an issue. And part of the problem is that our water treatment plants are not set up to filter this stuff out. And so that's kind of, you know, we're missing that, so to speak in terms of what we're doing when we're trying to purify our water or whatever. And so yeah, big, big concern, you know, we should, how we see something like this should be, it should be flashing, flashing red lights here like alert, alert again. Canary in the coal mine. The canary is over here, coughing and sneezing and choking over here. We better pay attention to what's going on. I mean, we're self sabotaged. We're poisoning ourselves. And so I mean, I think to me that was the big, biggest takeaway is in the water. Ultra brain chemistry. Those two together are terrifying.
[00:31:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, man. So let's just say this, let's hope that your canary in the coal mine analogy is interesting because I feel like, you know, we're all the coal miners, you know. Exactly.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. We're the coal miners.
[00:31:18] Speaker A: No one cares if we drop dead.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: The crayfish is the canary.
[00:31:22] Speaker A: And then that's what I'm saying. But just like unfortunately with a lot of coal miners, right, the owner of the mine doesn't really care about them. Like, you know, he's like, I just care about extracting my coal.
And if the coal collapses on them or they suffocate, so be it. We'll get another group of workers. Oh my goodness. Well, if that's the case, I'm just thinking that it seems like the pharmaceutical companies and I don't want to be conspiratorial, but the folks at the top don't really care. People are getting sick. As long as they sell more drugs to us to go pee in the water. Oh, my God.
[00:31:55] Speaker B: And then you'll pee in the water, which makes us crazy. Which makes us need more drugs.
[00:31:58] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. It's actually perfect formula. Yeah, like, like let's let them urinate and then they're going to drink back the thing that makes it that they're addicted to. That's, you know, you're right, actually.
[00:32:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: This is better than crack dealing, man.
Hey, drug dealers are drug dealers, man.
[00:32:17] Speaker B: So I think we can wrap it from there, man. But we appreciate everybody, appreciate everybody joining us on this episode of Call It Like I See It. And until next time, I'm James Keys.
[00:32:25] Speaker A: I'm Tunde Walana.
[00:32:27] Speaker B: All right, subscribe, rate, review and we'll talk to you next time.
