Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: In this episode, we discuss the recently completed Enhanced Games which allow athletes using banned substances and banned equipment to compete, and consider why the performances came up well short of what the organizers were promising.
And later on, we take a look at advice from an experienced cardiologist on what things no one should do before 9am or after 7pm in order to protect their heart.
Hello, welcome to Call Like I See it podcast. I'm James Keys and joining me today is a man who looks to inspire all of us ordinary people. Tunde. Ogunlana Tunde, are you ready to give us some takes that'll allow our consciousness to get lifted today?
[00:00:55] Speaker B: Yeah, man, you're putting a lot of pressure on me, bro.
Hey man, you drive under pressure?
No, not really. Actually, no. I fold like a cheap suit. But you're putting a lot of pressure for people that are listening to us for the first time. They're gonna expect me to perform.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: Hey, like I said, you are a former athlete. You're a guy who thrives under pressure. So I'm trying to. I gotta get you in the right mindset.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: I'll stick with the self deprecation and definitely lower expectations. There you go. So let's go.
[00:01:29] Speaker A: Now, before we get started, if you enjoy the show, I ask that you subscribe like the show on YouTube or your podcast app. Doing so really helps the show out. We're recording on June 9, 2026. And Tunde, a few weeks ago we saw the inaugural Enhanced Games take place in Las Vegas. Now there are a lot of competitions that taking place all over the world, all over the time, all the time. But these games were different. They involved sprinting, swimming, weightlifting. That didn't make them different. But what made it different is that competitors were not only allowed to take banned performance enhancing drugs or use banned equipment like specialized swimsuits and stuff, but they were, it was cool. It was encouraged, so to speak. And you know, because of that, the organizers had promised that this was going to showcase record performances. They were going to be able to break world records or surpass them at least because it wouldn't count officially as a world record. But this was a promise that these games did not deliver on. So Tunde, I want to get started, you know, just backing up a second. What was your reaction to these so called enhanced Games? You know, like that they took place in the first place? Is this what everybody's been waiting on, so to speak? Or is this just another gimmick in, you know, a world driven by attention?
[00:02:38] Speaker B: I can't answer about everyone else. If They've been waiting on it. I know I have not been waiting on it. So it was.
So I'll speak for me.
There's a lot of other things I'd say I'd be waiting for prior to that. But it was, I would say this. My initial reaction was like, you know, I smiled and I, I was kind of like, hey, finally someone did it.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: Because sounds like you were waiting if finally. No, not in that way.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: But I just think that since probably it made me think, like, since I think maybe late teens, early 20s, when my mind was exposed to that, things like steroids and whether. Like we had this show on creatine, how I played NCAA basketball and we used to take creatine back when I was in college playing basketball.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: And you say the teens. You're talking about your teens, not like, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: That's what you're saying is that the idea of trying to use something that you're supplement to enhance your own performance is not new. Right. And. And then I'm thinking about. Made me real, remember, because we're old enough. About 20 to 25 years ago, the congressional hearings when they were investigating steroid use in baseball. So that's what I'm saying. Like, like from a young age, I had that kind of, I don't know, fantasy, if you want to call it that, not, not that I wanted it, but just more like a thought like, what if they let everyone just use this stuff when they compete? I wonder what would happen. So that's what I mean by my first thought kind of jokingly in my head was, oh, someone finally did it.
I lived long enough to see someone actually organize this type of thing and put it on right. As a real thing. So that was my initial reaction. Yeah.
[00:04:10] Speaker A: You know what's very interesting is this is where probably us being near the same age would give us a similar kind of impression. Because I would say it was the steroid era in baseball when people had the debates, you know, on, oh, well, why can't they use them? Or, you know, and so forth and like, oh, well, people have done, you know, whether. If they're doing, you know, kind of amphetamine type stuff, you know, the greenies or whatever, why is that? Okay, but then the steroids aren't and so forth and oh, can anybody. When, you know, for Barry Bonds, you know, he was allegedly a part of that and it's like, well, but he was already super, super great. So what happens when it's one thing, if we got a person who's okay, becomes good and then what if somebody who's, you know, elite. Elite. You know, what happens when that, you know, like, so all of these debates happened. And my question. And then the thing that was debated a lot of times was, okay, well, why can't. Why shouldn't they be able to do it? And the reason being, you know, kind of the settled, at least the one that was compelling to me, was that then it becomes arms race where everyone has to do it in order to get in the door. You have to be doping if that's going to be the baseline. And so if we want to not require everyone to do this stuff, then we can't allow anyone to do this stuff. And so in my mind at that time, it was, okay, well, then they should create a separate lane for people who want to do doping. And this is in the 90s. I'm like, yeah, they, they create the, create the, create the league. You know, give them five teams or, you know, 10 teams and let them just dope. And then have the, the, the real one in parallel where it's like, no, no, no, this one's clean. And that way you, the people who want every edge and advantage can go down that path. They may learn some things, they may discover some things about the body or whatever. And so I was like, okay, finally, you know, like, I was like, finally, like, not that I'm looking forward to watching it, but I'm interested to see what comes of it, you know, like that. Are they going to be able to develop new techniques? Like, a lot of what is known about bodybuilding was learned and developed by people who were skirting the rules in the, in the mid-1900s, late 1900s. You know, it's like, so. And they learned how to do, you know, you learned how to do things clean, you learn how to do things dirty and so forth. And there's still information to be gathered. I don't want it to be required that everyone has to do it in order to keep up, but, you know, there should be a lane for it, in my opinion. You know, like, so. And then maybe that's me just being too free market about it. I don't know. But so, you know, like, I'll kick that back to you because that was.
[00:06:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, because it's interesting, you know, I'm not, I wouldn't say I disagree with you. It's just interesting to hear you say that you think there should be a lane for it. I don't know how I feel about that, honestly. So I'm not here to, To Begin a debate. Because I thought of it with other things. I thought about how we did a story several years ago about the country. I think it was Peru. And I might be getting it wrong, but the country. I remember, it started with a P, and it wasn't Portugal. But they started elimination for us. Yeah, correct. Apparently those are the only two countries of peace.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: But.
[00:07:00] Speaker B: Or pull out of that.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: But.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: No, but they legalize all drugs. Remember that story?
[00:07:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:07:06] Speaker B: And it was. Yeah. And again, not to. I know that's a much different comparison, but this idea that just things that we think of as illegal at one point, you know, what happens when you legalize it. So to me, that's an interesting discussion, but I think one of the things.
[00:07:19] Speaker A: But the thing here, though, I don't know that it's the issue that the drugs are illegal.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Well, yeah, that's why I didn't want to make it a straight comparison. I just meant a reminder of when something is banned and if you just let it flood the system, just say, all right, guardrails are off.
[00:07:32] Speaker A: What happens?
[00:07:32] Speaker B: That's all that the comparison.
[00:07:34] Speaker A: Well, just to make the point out loud, just like. So the distinction on whether it's illegal versus whether it's banned, whether things are banned. A lot of times deal more with competition, competitive aspects, not letting people get a competitive advantage. And the lines sometimes are arbitrary, you know, but they're. They're lines, you know, like. And that. But that's the point. It's not the point of enforcing necessarily laws as opposed to just enforcing a level of competition. Go ahead.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think one of the things that when you were speaking, it made me appreciate again. And you know, I'm on the big. On the kind of use of language. Right. And the words are important. So as you were talking, it made me realize. Yeah. I think part of the issue in our culture around this topic is actually the terms we use. The term performance enhancing drugs makes it seem like everybody that takes this immediately will have an elevated level of performance and will outperform someone else. And I think one of the things I'd actually be interested just to get your thoughts on, because one of the things that surprised me, pleasantly actually surprised me, were the results of the enhanced games. Because it's not what I expected.
I assumed that I would follow the wording, that performance enhancing drugs would immediately elevate everyone. And out of the 79 separate competitive sports, I guess I'd read that were held, I would assume we'd see world records in 70 of them. And I was wrong. So that to me was the kind of interesting part of this as well is the outcome of the enhanced games.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that piece about it was interesting to me as well. But see, I don't have the, like there's two assumptions that you put in there. The two assumptions were one is that would enhance your performance, but then the other is that it would enhance your performance relative to other people. So you would be able to surpass if you're a C athlete. If you take a performance enhancing drug, can you beat an A athlete?
That's a big jump, you know. And so to me, and the reason why I think that, I'll use an analogy in a second, but the reason why I think that they underperformed because the organizers were like, oh, we're going to break all these world records. Because like you weren't wrong to assume that they were touting it as, that they were going to break all these world records or surpass them, I should say, because again, because it's not going to be official. But those aren't the A athletes doing it. Yes, if it's the now I'll date myself a little bit. But if it's Michael Phelps that's, that's doing the performance enhancing, then he will exceed all known bounds. But he can do that without, you know, the performance enhancing drugs. But he'll exceed. If it's Barry Bonds who does that, then yeah, he'll become the baseball, best baseball player we've ever seen. But if it's a, a mid tier guy, he may just become an all star. He's not going to immediately then become better than Barry Bonds, you know, and so it's the level of athlete that you're, you're getting there, where you're getting instead of, you know, we got a bunch of. And I'm not saying that's to put anybody down. I mean, these are still elite athletes, but relative to the elite, you got a bunch of sea athletes and we got the performance enhancing drugs got him to a beat, but they're still not beating the people that are the true, you know, elite, elite, elite of the best, you know, because they're not getting to the A's. You know, where you get, where the issue becomes more muddled is when you have the A athletes feeling like they have to. When the B plus athletes start doing it and then they start catching up to the A's and the A's are like, well, hey, I got to do it. Like, I'm not, I've always been better than this dude, why is this dude, you know, which interestingly enough, and all the, the allegations about Barry Bonds, one of the things that came out was that he was looking at all these other lesser players getting closer to him and he's like, what these guys? I've been killing these guys my whole life, you know, and now they're catching up to me because of this. And they weren't catching him, but they were catching up. And you know, so I'll kick it back to you. I have one more. There's an analogy I want to draw, but I know I want to get your reaction on this.
[00:11:15] Speaker B: No, but I. So I got a couple of things I'm going to say something anecdotal to my own experience in watching some people, but then I want to just stop because you mentioned an important Michael Phelps.
He's an American hero in my book, by the way, because not only is Waheed probably the greatest swimmer of all time, which I think is just cool and I'm not a big into swimming guy, but I think that's a cool accomplishment and I want to give him his credit. But do you remember he was one of the first casualties of social media and a video that being released.
Do you remember that he wasn't doing performance enhancing drugs but he was caught smoking a bong on a video. Do you remember that?
[00:11:56] Speaker A: That's why he's your hero.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: Why he's my hero.
[00:12:00] Speaker A: He can be an Olympic athlete and a bong.
[00:12:02] Speaker B: That's my point.
[00:12:03] Speaker A: That's even.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: And he smoked with them lungs. He won multiple broke records.
Broke. I think it was a seven gold medals this guy got.
[00:12:12] Speaker A: So that's do that every time, you know, he would get.
[00:12:15] Speaker B: Michael Phelps is an American hero.
Yeah. So. And I still never smoked weed and gone to work, but he has at least given me the confidence that I'm not a loser for smoking weed.
So that is why he is an American hero. And I will continue with the discussion. So what I was going to say anecdotally is it's interesting, man, because I remember having. So I have some friends of mine that are just former NFL players or they played in high level college football. And we used to get into these kind of conversations when we were younger about does this stuff make you better if you juice and all that. And it was interesting because I would always share with guys that in basketball that was never a conversation in terms of I would say traditional steroid use. I know that today in 2026 there are, you know, plasma therapies and certain things that Basically there's things you can
[00:13:04] Speaker A: do to enhance recovery which would help any athlete if you're helping recover, because everybody has to recover, but go ahead.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: Exactly. So. So that's why I want to differentiate it between the stuff like that we consider with Barry Bonds and Jose Canseco back in the day of the traditional actual human growth hormone and things that just make you stronger. And so I remember back then though, even without all of the knowledge we have now and watching the enhanced games and some of the stuff I know we'll continue to talk about, I remember telling guys, hey look, basketball's. I think the reason why we don't see it in basketball is not the type of sport that strength alone really is a big difference. You know, taking steroids won't help you dribble better or shoot the ball better and all that. And it's just so I think it was something that wouldn't make someone just naturally better in that way as quickly as maybe in other sports. And the other thing, I'll say this is a joke, James.
[00:13:55] Speaker A: Well, but the enhanced weightlifting and sprinting, those are things that I know.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: That's why I got my comments about that for later. I was just telling my own kind of what I thought as a young person and then what I read as to some of the reasons why some of the records weren't broken and all that in terms of just because you take performance enhancing things doesn't mean you have better form or better technique or things like that.
But I do remember, man, one experience I had personally was going to watch spring training in Arizona in I think 2003, and it was when Barry Bonds was still playing. Sorry, not Barry Bonds, I apologize. It was Sammy Sosa, he was still playing for the Chicago Cubs. And I'll never forget, I went to watch him in batting practice. And again, this is just anecdotal. I didn't sit there with a friggin medical charter or anything, man, I must tell you something. When you see the guy hitting from a batting cage, and I saw other guys on his team hit too, so it wasn't just him, he hit the ball so far. I remember saying to myself, that's not a natural way for a human to hit a ball. I mean, it was like watching Tiger woods or Phil Mickelson hit a driver off a tee box. Like that thing went so far it almost went into orbit. And so I just remember how much more power it appeared he had than his teammates. And there was something about it at the time that I just felt like that Seems like an unnatural amount of extra force that he's able to hit a ball with and everyone else.
[00:15:19] Speaker A: That's, I mean, that's very subjective though he also had. Well, that's why I just, as a
[00:15:22] Speaker B: baseline, I prefaced with saying it's anecdotal. So that's why not to get into a debate about it. But it's just a personal experience that I.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: The misconception though from that time is that the guys, like the juicing guys actually had to outwork everybody too. That's kind of the thing. Like the juicing, you don't just, you know, juice and then sit back and chill and then you just puff up. Like it allows you to work out more and allows you to work out harder. It allows you to, to do all the normal things. You'll get more benefit from those workouts and so forth. So that again, like he took a, he was a, he had a power already and then he went off the charts once he, you know, allegedly does this or does that.
The thing for me though, and this goes back kind of to the point of the. Why aren't records being surpassed?
What it reminded me of actually is we look at like the golden age of boxing with the heavyweights as a pastime, you know, like we're going back 50 years and so forth. The Alis and the Foremans and all those guys, Fraziers, you know, and we, we look at those guys and we're like, yeah, there aren't heavyweights generally speaking now that we, that we see as being better than them. Whereas in every other sport, every other boxing division, it's like, yo, the people now are, generally speaking, you know, sprinters are the easiest way to look at it, you know, like progress athletes, we keep getting better. But again, it's a selection for the athletes though. Like in the best, you know, 6, 3, 240 pound people at that time, a lot of them would box, you know. But now the best 6 foot 3, 240 pound athletes don't necessarily go into boxing at a young age and so forth. They're playing football, you know, stuff like that. Or they're, they're doing something else where the spoils, the rewards are greater than they are in boxing at a median level and so forth. So again, that goes back to the selection of who is doing this stuff because one of the other notable things here is that a couple of high level clean athletes won at the enhanced games, you know, and because, and again they're looking like, I've been beating that dude since we were in high school. I don't care if he's juicing, I can still beat him, you know, type of thing. Because again, you can only cover, you can only make up so much ground if, you know, if you are a C athlete, you're not going to become an A plus, you know, no matter what you do. At least as far as current technology. So before we wrap, man, any more thoughts, you know, on this and then just kind of the kind of issues surrounding it?
[00:17:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, there's a few. I mean, we won't have time to get through all of them. But I think you're right. That's why I said that I was pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the Enhanced Games because I was glad to see that there weren't a whole bunch of records broken and things like that. It just tells us, and again, we don't have enough time, but tells us that there's a lot more complexity to this.
And then the other thing I wanted to mention, it's made me feel like also the competitive areas in the mental space because remember, we could compare things like Adderall and certain ways that people try and enhance their mental ability versus others. That's a good point. And the idea that just like the Enhanced Games, maybe sometimes the outcome of people doing this just to seek a certain. They want an outcome of one thing, but it actually may not be better than just focusing naturally and teaching yourself how to just get your mind to a place where you want it to be versus taking this artificial stuff. So, you know, I know we don't have time to get into said differently.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: No, that's a real good point. Because said differently, it'd be like putting more effort towards learning how to focus your mind, learning how to block things out. Like actually and then being able to do that kind of stuff on call, on demand. Like you can. In the same way that a person who meditates can get better at meditating over time. A person who learns to focus their. Their attention, you know, naturally or whatever, but just learns to learns techniques like you used the word technique before, learns better technique. Actually you may be able to either beat, you know, or at least match the type of slimming you might get. Because the chemical stuff also builds kind of a reliance to where if you don't have it, then you're like, oh my God, I'm stuck. I'm screwed. I don't have my crutch, so to speak. So it is more complicated. I think we end in a good place with that. When you bring up that it's just more complicated than that. And also, again, just that there's only so many levels you can rise with that type of stuff. But to your point, there may be, you may be able to rise to higher levels if you get better technique, if you learn how to use what you have a little bit better. So, so we're going to wrap this part up right now. We'll have a second part with today's discussion coming up soon. We appreciate everybody for joining us on this episode. I'm James Keys.
[00:19:56] Speaker B: I'm Tunde Ogunlana All right, we'll talk to you soon.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: Welcome to the Call, like I see a podcast. I'm James Keys. I'm here with Tunde Ogalana. And we're going to have our second part of our discussion today. Tunde we saw a little bit earlier this year, cardiologist Sanjay Bajraj published two pieces in CNBC. And this is a guy with 20 years of experience as a cardiologist, been training, treating heart attacks and so forth. And he lays out a set of things he never does in the morning before 9am and then separately, another set of things he never does in the evening after 7pm and this is based on his experience.
So what stands out about the cardiologist's advice here, you know, are his, you know, what do you think in these things? Or is this good advice? Or you have some experience in this? What are your thoughts on this? This?
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Well, my initial thought was I was depressed because I realized I.
[00:20:52] Speaker A: You do all this stuff.
[00:20:53] Speaker B: No, four out of five. So I'm 80%. And the best part is it's four out of five in the morning and four out of five in the evening. So it's exactly 80% of what I'm not supposed to do. I do. So, you know, I guess I should be maybe disappointed. I just didn't get 100%.
So one way or the other.
So. Oh, yeah. And it's, I'm sorry, it's seven things in the evening. So, you know, I don't do six of them.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: So I'll say the math doesn't work out quite as well.
[00:21:24] Speaker B: Whatever. Yeah. So it is what it is. But, but yeah, so that was my response. It deflated me. So what else do you want to know?
[00:21:32] Speaker A: No, no. Well, to me it was very interesting because they kind of swam, well, the stuff in the morning and the stuff in the evening kind of swam in the same pond separately, though. So the stuff in the morning was about, hey, you know, your body. Both of them are about the cycle, your body is either coming out, over, going into, you know, all of this is based around the sleep. So in the morning, you know, one which was very interesting to me said so many cardiac events happen in the morning. This is when your cortisol rises naturally. When you, when you wake, your cortisol rises. That's part of how your body wakes itself up and then it's supposed to come back down.
And so your blood pressure rises, your heartbeat kind of normalizes because it's a little more irregular at sleep. So these things are happening naturally. And so what we do during that time frame can either support that process or make it go haywire. And so like a lot of the things he's talking about, there's some mention about caffeine, but a lot of it seems to be about sugar and processed foods. Like if you're doing like what he, his first thing is not sugary caffeine drinks, like, like the Starbucks type of thing, you know, like that. And again, get coffee from Starbucks. But the things that people really like those, like desserts for, for, for breakfast type of thing, like those types of things that are really bad, that, that amount of sugar and that amount of caffeine together is something that is really bad. He talks about the processed meats and so forth. So it was about that. And then in the evening he talks about, you know, you're getting your body ready for this wind down period, you know, like. And so it's like, oh yeah, you shouldn't have. What was very interesting me. No emotionally charged movies, you know, type of thing, no emotionally charged conversations. Because that's going to get your body riled up. And when you're somebody supposed to be getting, you know, kind of, kind of chilling out a little bit. So you know that they, you know, one was about what you're consuming and what you're doing with your body as it's in this moment of awaking. And then the other is like, hey, you're trying to let your body have a nice smooth wind down. Don't screw that up. You know, like that they were kind of in those same things was what really stood out.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Yeah, man. It's interesting because I noticed that too about things like the light and not the thing about not watching emotionally charged television shows or films, which all makes sense. Obviously if you can get disturbed emotionally and mentally by things you see and obviously doing that right before you try and go to sleep doesn't seem that productive. And that's kind of what kind of saddens me a bit Honestly, James, in this conversation. Cause I kind of realize, like you said, like, a lot of the advice is stuff that we've discussed on different show discussions about, you know, when it comes to things like the processed foods and, and all that kind of stuff. We've. We've had show discussions on caffeine.
So it seems like the way that modern life was already going, you know, in, in prior to the last, let's say 20 years, was already going in a direction that was throwing the human body and kind of our internal biosphere, let's say off with all of these artificial kind of ingredients and processed food and all that. Then you add to it, stretch that
[00:24:36] Speaker A: back like 80, 100 years. It seems like the direction we're going is contra to all of these things.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: Correct. And that's a good point you make because it's like the industrialization, right. Once the technology came, then we made changes. And I think what I'm getting at is because this specifically kind of referenced film and television shows that could stress you out. And it just made me think of all of us that have a cell phone with a screen on it. And it's bigger than just movies and shows. We don't think about the text message we get at 10:15 at night by somebody or the thing we see online that the notification is sending us from our newsfeed. All those things have a risk of triggering us into some sort of heightened, stressful state without us really wanting it. And that's what I'm saying about.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: Well, and his. All that stuff, over time, it adds up on your heart.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. Yeah.
That's what I'm getting at is like if you look at your phone at 10:15 to answer a text and that text is negative, you're gonna, that's gonna, that's gonna be probably worse than watching a bad movie because at least the movie, your conscience can tell you that was just a movie. The text is real life, man.
[00:25:49] Speaker A: We just did that book beyond belief. And apparently that's not how our brains work.
[00:25:55] Speaker B: Well, yes, but in this example, I think that the text will definitely, for
[00:26:00] Speaker A: the purposes of your point, it's gonna work.
[00:26:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but, but no, but that's why I say that I think that we don't appreciate. And this is where it got me thinking, James, about things like that, the ever ending saga for me, as you know, with this idea of free will.
Because once you start looking at it this way, like we are kind of pressured. We're all being prisoners of whatever moment we're in based on what's the inputs we're getting. So to the point of the article, the foods we put in our body before a certain time or after a certain time, like you said, affect cortisol, affect all these other things that affect our mood, how we might respond to people in general. So I think, again, it's another example of how complex we are, our bodies, our minds, and the fact that we probably have much less control over how we respond to things than we realize, because those responses are really being triggered by these things we're inputting into our body and how we're dealing with.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: Well, but then. But that does give us a level of control, though. It's just the nexus of control is further back than we're thinking about, you know, like, that's kind of the thing is.
[00:27:04] Speaker B: Yeah, and I think it requires more education to understand.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: If it's not direct, directly proximate, if it's not, I do I kick this ball and the ball rolls, then it's harder. You need to know more in order to understand. Like, yeah, I step on this button and then three other things happen and then the ball rolls. And it's like, well, yeah, that if you don't understand that connection to your point, then. Then it's harder to do it. I. I think. I think looking at this from a standpoint of modern life was a really good thing to raise on your part.
Because I look at it, you know, just from my own personal.
And I'm like, man, a lot of this stuff from a parent standpoint is like, I don't even understand how I'm supposed to do a lot of this stuff. Like, sure, I aspire to eat, be done eating and everything like that before 7pm but kids got sports, all this other kind of stuff. I aspire to not do any of my lifts after 7pm But. Yeah, but I might be at a soccer practice and I get home at 7:30, it's like, all right, let me get a quick lift in. You know, like, so it's. And then in the morning, same thing. It's like, yeah, I aspire to get up and go, you know, ease into my day and all this other stuff. But it's like, yo, I gotta get the kids to school. I gotta do this, I gotta do that, you know, and then I gotta get. Then I gotta get ready for work, you know, so when is that supposed. When is the time I'm supposed to just kind of chill? So you can see how he's like, yeah, yeah, don't. Don't do basic Breakfast pastries, which that one is easy for me not to do, but that's very convenient. Like you want to eat healthy food. I like to eat fruit. I got to go to the store a lot to go to the fruit because my fruit only stays good for a little bit of time. I can get a breakfast pay. I can get a box of breakfast pastries and be good for a month.
Like so the convenience of those things, you know, while they undermine your health and then it undermines your health in the long term. So it's like, yeah, that's going to be bad for me in 10 or 15 years, but I got to get through today, you know, so, you know, like. So what do you, what do you think as far as. And I know you kind of touched on this before, but, you know, were any of these striking out to you or sticking out to you as far as. Because you have an even crazier morning than me, you know, as far as how realistic this stuff is, you know, for parents or you know, even the late night eating, that's not realistic for college kids.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: But no, I think, you know, I get up early and I take my youngest to school, you know, out of the door by 6:15. So it's a good point because I'm reading it.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: Can you repeat that for me again? I don't think that you gave the proper level of emphasis for what time
[00:29:26] Speaker B: we're out of the door by 6:15. Yeah, all right, so now, but, but no but. So the reality is, yeah, I'm reading it. What do I normally do? I have a cup of coffee, you know, right after I wake up, 5:45, whatever, as I'm getting my head in the game. And then, and then I usually pour another, you know. Yeah, well, that's why I'll pour another cup into the coffee mug. Right, that, that keeps it warm and I drive. So yeah, I'm having basically two cups of coffee with French vanilla flavoring. So we talked about, you know, not having the sugary sweeteners. Yeah, so that's. So that's the sugar.
[00:30:01] Speaker A: Are you eating before that?
[00:30:03] Speaker B: No, that's my point. Doing it every morning without eating, without drinking water first and all that. And so, but you know, I thought the same thing you did. I have a choice. I can choose to not drink coffee in the morning and I can also, you know, for example, choose to, you know, one of the ones that earlier
[00:30:23] Speaker A: eat something, you know, try to drink couple cups of water like you could do, but then you drink a couple cups of water and then you're in traffic all that time, it's like, oh, yeah, I'm 40, I might have to go to the bathroom.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: Yeah. With already having survived a prostate infection. Yeah, that's not gonna be fun.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: But.
[00:30:38] Speaker B: But no, but I think it's just like you said about lifestyle though, right. Because, yeah. Could I go to bed earlier? Yeah. Go to bed at 8:30, 9 o', clock, wake up at 5, you know, start my day off that way, which is fine. But then that runs into a bit of my business life and how I work because, you know, because of my
[00:30:53] Speaker A: life I got to sleep at 7:00pm so.
[00:30:55] Speaker B: So, yeah, so my point is, is that part of it is modern life. And the reality is I don't sleep as much as I should. You know, probably average six hours of sleep and not the seven, seven and a half I should. So there's a lot of factors and, and I'm sure that this cardiologist would tell me by not sleeping properly I am affecting my cardiovascular health. Which we've done a show about me having a heart attack and all that. So like all this stuff swims in my mind when I read it about like, yeah, these are the pressures of living in modern life. Post industrial age and now going into the information age. And one of the things I want to say just as again, an anecdotal story from my life, you know, one of the things I used to do pretty well was I used to not have a television in my bedroom when I was single.
I used to think that my bed was to go to sleep in and that room was for that and not really and you know, maybe to have other fun with if I had a friend in there, but not to really sit there and watch tv. I got a living room for that. Right. And so I remember when I, when I got with my wife and you know, you know, getting on the way to be married and all and we started, you know, living together and stuff is she was the type that would fall asleep to the tv.
So then it became an issue because I don't want a TV in my room, but she gotta have one. So we compromised where we had a TV in our room, but we just turn it off before we go to bed now because, you know, I can't be having the TV on with the light trying to go to sleep and she wants a TV in her room. So it's an example of how I tried to do the not having the light in the room. But this time I can blame my wife.
[00:32:26] Speaker A: I was gonna say it sounds like when the cardiologist tells you, Tunde, I told you not to have the. The tv.
It's gonna be her television shows. You're gonna be pointing the finger.
Hey, man, we gotta point more thumbs, less fingers.
[00:32:39] Speaker B: It's gonna be her fault. Just don't show her the show, okay? So that she doesn't know. Because she comes with me to the doctor's appointment. So I don't want her to be ready for that.
Yeah.
[00:32:47] Speaker A: Oh, man. So, well, I'll say this with a lot of these types of. Like, because the Internet has tons of these types of, you know, hey, you know, here are the three things you gotta do, or here's the five things you can't do. Like, there's tons of those things. And I think a lot of times we are wired. We as people are wired to look at it kind of like what you did. Like, oh, I'm batting, you know, 80%, or, you know, I'm missing 20 or I'm hitting 20% or whatever it would be. However, whatever perspective you look at it, I think that this, you said before, like, because. Or we. We said together because a lot of the results that we get are not directly connected to the things that caused them. And so there are steps in between. It's a little complicated that we need education in order to figure out how we can try to take more control. Well, this is that, in my opinion, like, I don't think you read something like this and say, hey, if I can't do all five, or if I can't do all seven, then I will, you know, I'm just not going to do anything. Like, I think that the point of this is more so to understand the connections and then try to. Even if you can't do exactly what he's saying that he thinks you should do. If you gear things around, like, it may be, you know, something where you get up and you. You take a, you know, a handful of almonds and just eat those, you know, like. And then you have that in your stomach as you're driving down or whatever, which won't make you have to go to the bathroom, you know, but there are small tweaks you might be able to do to get further along the. Kind of. To get closer to this without saying, if I can't get 100% of this one factor, I'm not even going to try. Or if I can't get 100% of all. All five of them, I'm not even going to try. So I think that the goal, the target for most of us, because I don't think it's realistic to hit all of them for everyone, for most people, you know, because life is busy, you know, so the target is really to say, okay, well, what. What. What's the. This is why I looked at it probably just naturally I looked at it as kind of the themes that he was pulling out from the morning. 1. The themes that he was pulling out from the evening. Okay. And so how can I.
What. What can I do not. Not. What can't I do? You spend the time thinking about what you can't do is not that helpful. What you figure. Spend time figuring out the things you can do and say, okay, what can I do to help move me in a direction and, you know, towards what? Be being healthier on my heart in the morning and what can I do? I may not be able to do everything, but what can I do to make my. Make me live a life that's a little heart healthier in the evening. And then you can make progress with something like this. You can make it be useful for your life as opposed to just something that might make you feel guilty or make you want to point some fingers instead of pointing some thumbs up. So I know we got a wrap, man. Any other thoughts?
[00:35:20] Speaker B: Man. Just a good reminder of the complexity of the human body and that we still have a modern medical kind of ecosystem that's very compartmentalized. And I'll just finish with this example. I'm 48, and I just learned in the last month how important gum health, meaning the gums in your mouth, is for your heart.
And when I learned the details, it made sense that your gums are all that inflammation. Yeah. Well, one cell membrane thick. And if you have bleeding in your gums, it's an easy gateway for bacteria to go into your bloodstream. And there's no filter. Like your body has natural filters in the nose and the lungs and the stomach with stomach acid to kill certain pathogens.
[00:36:03] Speaker A: There's more to it than your point.
[00:36:05] Speaker B: Well, that's what I'm saying. So just to finish up is my cardiologist never informed me this, and my dentist never informed me of this, and maybe other people's cardiologists and dentists have inform.
I just never knew this until I'm 48 years old. So it's an example that I just feel like our culture is still very compartmentalized with how we look at all these parts of the body instead of, you know. And I know we're learning this. That's why we're doing this discussion that. That's the point is very connected.
[00:36:30] Speaker A: Yeah, no, no, that's the point, actually. No, this is something. I've known this for about 10 years, but I learned from my dentist at the time. And. But the way it was explained to me was that, yeah, this is emerging in terms of, hey, we're getting a better understanding of this now, you know, because the gums. What's going on with your gums, you can have minor infections in there, and then you just have a persistent infection in your body, and it's like, well, that's not what we want. And all you got to do is floss or whatever to clean that up. So it's not just that you just learned. It's that the connection between that and other. Like the inflammation, the. Like you said, the. The. The ability for bacteria to get in, anything like that, all of that stuff, the connections are still being learned more. So that's the other part. We're still. We don't walk around knowing everything that's going on with our body. And nobody, like you said, the lack of connectedness going contributes to that. But then also the complexity, like you said. So, you know, it's one of those things. There's going to be things that we're going to learn in five years, like, oh, yeah, we probably shouldn't have been doing this. And science will establish, you know, they'll establish the connection, and then people will learn about it slowly, and then some people will adjust and some people won't. You know, that's kind of the way it goes. And then maybe it'll be common knowledge.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: So here's another final important thing on a serious note is important why men should talk to each other about their health.
Because now I just realized I'm gonna get a new dentist.
Seriously? Your dentist's been talking to you about that for 10 years. Mine hasn't.
[00:37:49] Speaker A: Yeah, it's actually crazy the way it happened because, listen, check this out. I've always had very healthy teeth. And so, like, I've never had a cavity, anything like that.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: Hold on for the audience. This is how we normally talk. So we're not even having a show now.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, right. I should have. It's off on the record. But, like, so I go to the dentist, and then usually I go to the dentist, I get the cleaning, you know, like, oh, yeah, everything looks great. And then I leave. And then the dentist is like, all right, you got to do this super gum treatment, yada, yada, yada. I'm like, what? Trying to sell me something, and then it would just. They were just like a changeover at the dentist's office also, so somebody else was in charge. And I'm like, I don't even know this person. They're telling me I got to do all this stuff. They're like, oh, it's gonna be 300. Insurance doesn't cover yada, yada, yada. I'm like, what are y' all talking about? So me being me, I go research it, and I'm like, oh, that's what they're talking about.
