Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: In this episode, we react to the recent documentary Inside the Manosphere, which provides an interesting look at some of the influencers who are driving the so called Manosphere.
Hello, welcome to the Call Like I See it podcast. I'm James Keys and joining me today is a man whose life is a reflection of a hustler's ambition, Tunde. Ogonlana Tunde. Are you ready to give the people some higher learning today?
[00:00:40] Speaker B: Of course, man.
And just for this special show about the manosphere, I wore my T shirt for the YouTube audience that says awesome. Like my daughter.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: There you go.
[00:00:49] Speaker B: To make sure that you got to
[00:00:52] Speaker A: send the show to her then.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I will.
[00:00:56] Speaker A: She'll get it all right. Now before we get started, if you enjoy the show, I ask that you subscribe and like the show on YouTube or your podcast, appreciate doing so really helps the show out. We're recording on April 14, 2026 and today we continue our streaming between the Lines series and take a look at the documentary Inside the Manosphere, which was released in 2026 and is currently available to stream on Netflix. In the documentary, we follow the filmmaker Louis Theroux as he meets, talks to and follows several influential people in what is referred to as the manosphere, giving us a look at both the individuals and how they interact with and engage with their significant audiences.
Now to establish a baseline on what we're talking about. The Wikipedia defines the manosphere as a very collection of websites, blogs and online forums promoting masculinity, misogyny and opposition to feminism. So just to kind of put everybody on the same page as this manosphere, you're going to hear the term manosphere a bunch. So Tunde, to get us started in our discussion, what surprises you the most about the Inside the Manosphere documentary? Maybe the over the top characters we meet that drive it, or how much of an appetite maybe that there is for this image that the guys project or the messages that they espouse.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: That's a good question, man. Because I would say this, that I found because I'm not into this subculture of our greater American story myself. I'm not into the manosphere stuff.
So this documentary kind of bringing me in from the outside just made me appreciate how much kind of our culture has changed in the last, let's say 10 to 15 years because of the Internet where everything is like entertainment.
Because my first thought was to say, kind of use the word grifting and all that with these guys, but I think that's too simplistic of a breakdown of It. It's not just about they're making money by being online and doing this. It's just the way that our culture has gone. There's so many examples of subcultures like this, but this one is interesting because it does involve this manosphere thing, conversations that I think societies have had historically about the role of men, masculinity, when men feel that they are maybe victims in their society, how they express those feelings, so on and so forth. So that, to me, is what really stood out about this documentary, was kind of this lens into that part of manhood. But then the fact that the Internet puts this kind of entertainment veneer on it, which I found interesting. So that's what stood out.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: I would say my reaction was the exact opposite.
I found this to be incredibly good.
[00:03:46] Speaker B: That'll make it a good show.
[00:03:48] Speaker A: I found this to be incredibly familiar.
It reminded me that the bravado, the image, even the messaging to some degree, reminded me of 90s hip hop, you know, and the misogyny and all. Like, it was like, oh, man, this is.
This kind of stuff sells to young boys, you know, like, hey, you're so. I'm super tough. You're super tough. You know, yada, yada, yada, like. So it was very familiar to me in that sense.
And, you know, some of the messaging, though, I thought really stood out because I thought in part, they diagnosed a real problem in the world that is tied to the experience of a lot of young males and a lot of young people generally. But they frame it in the context of the male. But it's really something that can apply more broadly and that, you know, hey, the system's rigged against you, you know, like, things are stacked against you. Like, and if you look at house prices, if you look at how hard it is, you know, relatively to get a job and to get a career, have a career type job with a lot of good prospects moving forward, even for college graduates, that's becoming harder. And that stuff is actually happening in the world. And these guys now, I think their solution may be one that actually is counterproductive for a lot of people because instead of maybe moving people towards working together to try to work against the forces that are rigging the system, the system rigging thing is very interesting to me because that message plays well to people who feel like their lot in life isn't what they thought it would be. Right. But the people who sell the system is rigged a lot of times.
Never point to the people who are benefiting the most from the rigging.
It's like the people that are benefiting the most from the system, somehow they don't get pointed to by the guys in the manosphere or whatever. It's like, oh, yeah, the system is rigged. It's because of women. Yeah, women really have had a really great play. And then the United States culture for a really long time, glass ceilings and all this other stuff and all like that. They're not. What? They're not the people that are that like, I see billionaires as the people billion benefiting from. From the rigging of the American system. If I'm at a basketball tournament and we find out there's five teams and we find out the thing is rigged, I'm not looking at somebody who's lost three or four games and saying that they're rigging it. I'm like, oh, who hasn't lost? Who's winning all the games? They're the ones that are rigging it. So I think that the identifying, yes, the system has been rigged against you. But hey, talk to Robert Reich. He talks about how the system is rigged, but he's actually like, hey, let's actually go after the people that are rigging the system and who are benefiting from it. So to me, the fact that they're really hitting on something. And then young men at this time of their life, when they want to step into their own and become something that they feel is self sufficient and something that they feel is masculine in man, and they can't, and they recognize that society is rigged against them. It's like it's a time when. Or it's a message for people at a time when it could be very, very, very influential on them. Influential on them. And that message, it makes sense to me. It's like, okay, I see this. I get why this is happening.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, the reason why you feel the way you feel, I was gonna say is. Cause I keep being intellectual and I keep warning you against all that because irrationality is where most of us swim. And it's much easier to feel like it's all women's fault if you're told that.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: Or all the immigrants fault. Yeah, the immigrants are really winning. Or all black people's fault.
There's several of them, but go ahead.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: Well, let me. Yeah, so. Because I'm kind of going down that road, which is going back to the entertainment factor of the Internet. We know about things and we've discussed them in this show. And a lot of people, you know, seen this in other places too, about things like algorithms that conflict creates you know, kind of the eyeballs watching more things and the algorithms driving people to more conflict for the benefit of the tech companies and all that.
So one thing that the Internet has shown us, and this is where you are going, is grievance sells. And so whether it's the racial grievances we've seen to things like great replacement theory and all that religious, I mean, I could say even CABLE News back 20 years ago with the war on Christmas that Bill O'Reilly brought us all the way to the college protests in 2024, 2023, when those were used by someone in the Jewish community as a reason why they had a grievance against others. So I think that. And what happens is not to pick on any of these groups.
We all can feel. And like you said, there's been algorithms sent to black Americans to make them feel grievance about their position in society. So I think that there's money to be made by making people feel like victims today on the Internet. And this is again, a lane where men, a lot of young men have been driven to believe that the reason why, like you're saying they're living in their mom's basement at 25 or they don't have a girlfriend because of the way that society has played out. And all that is somehow all the fault of women and not the fault of other factors in society that have got us here. And so.
So I think that that's understandable.
What I think is also part of this is our leadership in general, culturally. So we have, from a political class all the way to entertainment like these podcast bros and all that.
This has been what young men, let's say under 30, have been watching for the last 15, 20 years online men telling them how to behave, how to be tough, how to, how to deal with women, all that kind of stuff. And now those young men are turning into grown men, right? And they're affecting the rest of society with their views.
[00:09:35] Speaker A: I would add to the piece on the algorithm because I had the question when I was watching this, like, is this basically, you know, algorithmic proficient con men taking advantage of young men and during a formative or difficult time in their life, or are they actually meeting a need that is not being met otherwise for these guys, either through the household or through the opportunities available in society? Even if the way they're meeting it, I might say, hey, you might be leading them astray.
And what I mean by that is that the recommendations, a lot of times now, some of the stuff, as far as, hey, be more Serious person, cool, fine, but be meaner, Be more mean to other people is not something like, if the system is rigged, it's almost like an invitation, hey, why don't you be a part of the rigging and try to keep other people down as opposed to, let's try to take apart the rigging. Like, that's kind of the message, I feel. And we're going to do it all on our own and, you know, all that, all that kind of stuff, and I just don't think that's the right way to do it. Like, if you're trying, if the system's being rigged and it's being rigged by powerful people, and then to take down powerful people, you need a lot of collaboration, not going on your own. And I definitely don't. I'm not going to be the guy that's drawn into trying to join the people that are doing the rigging. But on the algorithmic side, I think that, I mean, and we saw this at various times, hinted at, but these are people that are very algorithmic, proficient in terms of understanding. Now, maybe that's their message anyway, or maybe they are careful to. And maybe some part of both, but they're careful to project a certain image in the same way, like I said with 90s hip hop is that everybody had to be a gangster, everybody had to be super tough. Everybody had the women scantily clad, you know, in their videos and stuff, whether that was really them or not, you know, because that was the image that people were drawn to, you know. But what I know about the algorithms that really get this into people's feed and subtly possibly change them, you know, I introduce it to them, bring them along, and then next thing you know, they're. They're all the way in. It is that the algorithms are very good at finding if the more you interact with it, it finds your insecurity, it finds your obsession, and it plays off it with emotionally driven content. That's what the algorithms do. That's how they keep you there.
And so I think that this is ultimately drawn or goes back to the fact that society itself is not having easy answers. And I say easy answers on purpose, and I'll touch on that later. For young men, in terms of, hey, how can I live a solid life? You know, like, how can I just live a solid life? Like, there aren't a lot of easy answers for that. And I think that's a problem, so to speak, that these people, in ways that are, that the algorithms are going to present in a way this is emotionally driving stuff that's going to allow them to find this as the reason. And as you said, people love to find a scapegoat for their problems, regardless of what the problems are. And just. I want to kick it back to you, but the thing I want to touch on real quick is what I mean by easy answers is that in any walk of life, this is kind of a philosophy I have on, like, money is the only game where the more of it you get, the easier it is to get more. If you're talking about, you know, exercise, muscle, things like that, if you're talking about anything, the. It's easy to go from like poor to average. You know, you get in, you go to the gym once, twice a week, you can get to average, you know, pretty easily. It's then a little bit harder to get to above average. But if you want to go from above average to elite, it takes years of focus and dedication and effort. It doesn't become easier to put on muscle and to get in better shape once you're already a world class athlete. But the money game has been rigged in that way that the more money you have, the easier it is to keep going up the ladder. And so that is a fundamental breakdown in the way that it's unnatural. And so that kind of cascades everything else. But I'm sorry, I know I went long, but let me kick it back to you. Take from whatever you want and go from there.
[00:13:30] Speaker B: Now there's, I think just sticking with the algorithm piece is interesting.
That's what I mean. A lot of this swims together, meaning the grievance part. And like you said, a lot of, like, that's a natural human thing for people to look for off ramps as to why their life is in a certain way other than either their own actions or actions of things that are closer to them. Like, it might not be their fault they were born in a town that doesn't have any jobs.
But those are reasons that have their own complexity in nature. And they might not be just because women exist, right? Like, it's not because of feminism that all this stuff is bad. Right? And so, and that to me is where it's interesting because we've had this conversation differently in different shows in the past. I remember where, when we talked about some of their racial anxiety, we've seen, for maybe those in the majority group about being replaced and all that, and the anxiety around seeing things like, you know, a black business organization or something, I was saying, like, I've never been bothered by seeing A women's business organization or a women's CEO roundtable or a women's this or that, like, all right, cool. You know what I mean? Like, I understand there's a patriarchy kind of culture. I understand that for women historically, you know, first of all, they were the last to participate in our democracy, getting the vote in 1920. Think about that. Freed black male slaves were able to vote in this country in 1865, but even white women couldn't participate until 1920. Until the mid-60s, women couldn't open a bank account by themselves. In this country, if you were in 1940 and you go to a bank as a woman, they wouldn't open. And they would say, you got to come back with a man.
[00:15:13] Speaker A: Hold up, hold up, hold up. Didn't you just get on me about, I'm looking at this too intellectually?
Did you just say that to me?
[00:15:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
So that's where I'm going back. So hold on. You got to let me paint this circle. I'm doing a weave here. This is, like, messing up my thing. And so. So. So remember the weave, the whole thing. And.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: But I'm the one looking at this too intellectually. I got you.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: Wait till I start talking about Arnold Palmer's junk. Man, this is going to get fun. So.
But. And Hannibal Lecter, too. He's gonna come up somewhere, but as he should. Now you're messing me up.
But no, so. Because what I was gonna say is that it's a good point, your joke you make, because that's kind of the intellectual way to look at it, right? Just like we would about racial stuff. Well, this group, you know, they've had systemic laws were against them, and these people were getting killed and all this, and they weren't able to even serve on juries that was against the law. So all of a sudden, then everybody's got an equal playing field, and we're just going to pretend like none of this stuff happened. So the point I'm making is, yes, the irrationality of some men is to believe that it's because of feminism. It's because women got these rights, is why things are so bad in society. And men. And look, these arguments are easy to digest, right? You could say that they pick up the increase in the divorces since the 1960s created more latchkey kids, and that meant that this and that and the breakup of the family and all this.
So my argument would be, so what? Should we ask women to get married in high school again and be married till they're 80 with men that beat them and can't divorce and all this. Like, is that right? I don't think that's right.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: Well, that's the prescription that's being offered in many of these places.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. The whole trad wife thing and just shut up and stay in the kitchen and all that. And it's like, all right, well, if that's where we're gonna go with this, then also here's the other thing. The challenge to these young men, you got to take care of that. You got to be responsible. You need to get off the Internet and get off out of your mom's basement. Go get a job, go support a woman and a family. Go do that. Because that's not easy. And that takes a lot of work and a lot of willpower for a man to do. And so that's the problem. I think that I feel like we
[00:17:24] Speaker A: could clip that part and make you like you would be then part of the manosphere.
That whole. That rant right there, we could be like, toonday joins the manosphere. It'll be right there.
You captured it perfectly. Let me. Let me.
[00:17:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, let me say something. I just think I'd like. I'd like for my kids to see that. So let's.
[00:17:44] Speaker A: I think that your perspective on this is a little clouded, and I think it's for a good reason.
You have the confidence now, one, you're older, you're mid age, and you've been very successful.
And so you have the confidence that, hey, you put drop me anywhere. This line got dropped in the. And this is a line. You hear this in hip hop. You heard a lot of you drop me anywhere with nothing.
I'll get on my feet in short order, essentially. And you feel that way about yourself. So in your mind, you have the confidence built up from successful life experiences, or that may be it, or how you were raised or whatever, or it's just in you. And so you can't look at it with that same level of confidence, because remember, a lot of times people are going to the manosphere looking for that kind of confidence. Looking. And they're looking so. And one of the ways that that confidence is being instilled, again, like I said a lot of that way with 90s hip hop was, I got the big gun, you know, I got my pants low. That's where my confidence is coming from. And so I see it there too. And so the confidence piece and feeling like, hey, let me go, let me show up, let me work somewhere, and I can build a Life and you know, like that that's something that I think again, that that need is one that needs to be felt. And the irrationality of men is not one.
That's not a reason to dismiss this. That's to say, hey, maybe the kind of leadership we put in place needs to do a better job of putting opportunities in place for all people. You know, like once people get denied opportunities, they start finding these little groups, these little niches that they're going to find in and start throwing stones at the other groups. But if there's opportunity, the impulse for that is much, much less. The other thing I'll say is you talked about the simplicity of the message. Well, simplicity sells, man. Like, that's the thing I ask any religion ask thousands of years. The simplicity sells like, well, why didn't it rain today? Oh, because we didn't kill the virgin. Oh, okay, got it. That's much better than, oh, well, you know, there's a high pressure front or why didn't the hurricane go this way? Well, actually, I'll just draw a little black line and say that it was going to go that way. Simplicity sells. And so part of what they're offering here is the simplicity of you don't need to understand why all of this stuff is going on or why this stuff is happening. It's just, hey, if we just go back to something that you don't remember because you weren't there, then everything will work out for you. So it's a compelling message in that sense. One of the last points I wanted to touch on specifically with you in this, though, dealt specifically about the women that we saw in the documentary. And like, whether it be the girlfriends or the hangers on or the people, like, we saw several instances of fan models in there that were trying to boost their own profile. But what stood out to you about just kind of seeing them and seeing kind of how they fit in to the picture that was going on?
[00:20:28] Speaker B: I didn't make much of that because there's other.
Without getting into other topics, Right. There's a set of files that the Justice Department released that one of the major accomplices was a woman. So that's all I'm saying is that there's nothing a surprise for me there. One thing that I will. I want to just speak to what you were on is because you're right, the idea of infrastructure and society for young men, I think you're right, but
[00:20:55] Speaker A: for everybody, but young men would benefit.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: But let me get on the point you made because you threw out A good challenge to me to think about it. And you're right, it's unfair for me to compare how maybe I thought and project my own self as a younger man.
You know, I had her. First of all, I didn't have any issues with my mom. I had a very good relationship with my mother. So I know some men that have sideways relationships with their moms. Like the guy from Baton Rouge who was in the documentary, who mentioned that his mom was strung out on drugs a lot, all this kind of stuff. So there could be a resentment that develops towards women, all that stuff. So I can't appreciate that. That's not me. The second thing is I always kind of had a growth mindset. I was always hungry as a younger man. I always wanted to learn.
You know, I read books at a young age. So my point is, is that, you know, I didn't. I didn't have this thing that someone else was on top of me being. Not being able to make it how I wanted, how I thought I would make it. I was just excited, just bursting out of high school and getting into the real world and all that stuff. So it's a different mindset.
[00:22:01] Speaker A: In fact, I did sum this up.
Life is the embodiment of a hustler's ambition, man. That's what I'm saying.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that is it.
But here's the thing. But I was playing basketball in high school, then in college, meaning there were other tracks I had that kept me going in a sense. So I don't know what it's like to literally be that kid that graduates high school and is still sitting in his mom's basement by 23. I don't know what that's like. So one thing that I was gonna say, though, is the one thing I've always advocated for in the United States, if we want to talk about infrastructure would be the idea. And some other countries do this, which is national service, that after 18, you know, after high school, that young women and men. But this case we're talking about, young men go into the service, go into boot camp. Not for them to go to war and all that, but like you're saying, camaraderie, collaboration with others, learning how to trust. You do all those drills in boot camp, self esteem, getting in shape, like you're saying, and then hopefully not going to war. But there's a lot of skills one can learn. You can be an aircraft mechanic, you can learn how to fix tanks, you can be in the, you know, intelligence on the computers. There's a Lot of things young people can learn in the military. So when they're 23, 24, 25, they're coming out to the rest of society with some skills and also a mindset and confidence.
So. So that's what I think. But, you know.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: Well, let me say this.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: I don't know with that.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Like. Yeah, because you sound. I mean, I think that your wish might be granted towards the end of this year if you, if you're not careful. I think that. But I. I agree with you. National service should mean military, though. National service can be anything. Like, you should have a roaming Peace
[00:23:37] Speaker B: Corps, to me is fine.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: Yeah, well, we should have a roaming group of people to go around building houses or something that work. Yeah, like, that's part of a national service. Or like, there's a lot of things that you can do for the nation. If you got to give two, three years of national service, go teach somewhere, go do this and that, like, that would be something. All of those benefits also just reinforcing that we're all in this together, you know, like, that's something that. I think that you can't hold a nation together long if people don't look at it, they're in together. The whole point of a nation is to kind of look at it. You're in it together. Like, that's kind of the. What you're doing here and trying to use, like, religion to try to hold that. If it's a nation that's not built on a religion, it's difficult. If it's trying to use a race to do that. If it's a nation that's not built on a single race, it's difficult to do that. And actually it's counterproductive because then you're excluding all the. All this talent that you have there too. Like, hey, well, we don't want to use all your talents. We'll just use this small set of talent or this group of talent. It's like, well, why would we not want to use all this? So it creates these issues. I mean, to me, though, I want to comment on the women piece.
It was very interesting to me to see that in the sense that one. It wasn't surprising. But I think my biggest gripe with the manosphere, generally speaking, is the selling that there's only one way that things have to happen.
And so, like, seeing the women in there, if some women like that, cool. You know, if they really like it and they're not being there against their will, or if they. If, you know, chasing the clout or getting more subscribers or whatever is important to them, and they'll go and take a little humiliation in order to get more guys to, you know, be there. Or maybe they don't even see it as humiliation, you know, like that. I don't have a problem with that if that's what they want to do, you know, like so. But my issue goes into where someone then says that everybody has to be like this. Everybody has to be, you know, a woman that can't vote or, you know, a trad wife or whatever it be. No, like, the women who want to do that should be able to do that. The women who want to do something else should be able to do that. And same thing with the guys. The guys that want to be tough, masculine, you know, be in the gym. I'm good with that. I love going to the gym. You know, the guys that want to, you know, all of that and the guys who don't figure out your lane, figure out another lane for you, you know, and whether, whether whatever that is, you know, but it's the, the, the idea of forced uniformity, that simplicity to me, or this is the only way to get it done. This is the only way to do it is where I, that's where I don't, I don't bite, you know, and to sell it in that way, like, hey, if this appeals to you, and then using all these images to be like, hey, this will appeal to you. You'll have all these girls, if you come be like me, it. To me, that's, that's disingenuous. That sounds a lot like, you know, you turn on sports radio and then in the morning, on Sunday morning or something like that. And they got all these guys, these gambling experts that'll be like, yeah, you know, if you subscribe to my, my thing, I'll give you all these gambling tips and you'll make a bunch of money. And it's like, well, actually, you subscribing to them gives them a bunch of money. And then if they, if they were making a bunch of money, they wouldn't need your subscription. They'd be over there just doing stuff on their own. You know what I'm saying? Like, so that hustle or, you know, these business, hey, I'll teach you how to invest. Just pay me this and then you'll get all this money. It's like, it comes off as that to me, you know, like, I'm going to teach you the one way to do this. And, you know, it's unfortunate because, like, I Said it. The people that are most likely to be drawn into other people that are the most vulnerable in that sense. So I feel. I feel bad for the guys being drawn in more than anything. If anybody's helped, you know, if discipline gets through, great. You know, if taking pride in yourself gets through, then great. But the other stuff they're selling, you know, like, they. They can. They can miss me with that, you know, I just don't. I don't see it as being a prerequisite to being strong, to being a man.
[00:27:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's where.
And I'll kind of start ending my comments here because that goes back to what you said exactly, is what I felt in the beginning of this conversation when I said use the term grift. But I didn't want to lead with that because I knew that it was more complex than that. But that the part you're on is where I feel the grift is and where I see it so similar. And I think it is because of the Internet, just the new information networks. Because as you're talking just now, think about it, we have. And I don't want to go on a tangent, it's just an example.
We have a president now who, when he came into office at the beginning of January, 2025, in the second term, had a meme coin, and they raised $2 billion from, I guess, people investing in this meme coin. 75 people made money. 813,000 people lost $2 billion. So that was a transfer of wealth, which was kind of like a snake oil guy back in the late 1800s, traveling through the Midwest.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: But that means that it's not the Internet that, like, this is a human impulse. These guys that sell these. I'm sure you're a wealth advisor. You see these people that go around telling, hey, buy this seminar and you're gonna be a master trader, or buy
[00:28:18] Speaker B: gold on certain news channels in the day when they know old people will be in there watching them and they scare them about the stock market. I see it all, and that's my point. James is saying it seems like.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: But that's the Internet, though. That's not just.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Well, what I'm getting at is. But. Well, let me just finish the point. What I'm getting at is there was a certain infrastructure and hierarchy of communication when you and I were growing up, meaning the industrial age of the broadcast TVs, radios. So there was a lot of gatekeepers. Not everyone could just get in and sell their wares through those systems. The Internet kind of broke that open. That's what I mean is that a lot of more people have voices and a lot of things, because even things like broadcast rules and all that, now you can communicate with everybody, and you don't have to follow broadcast rules. Right? Those are things you couldn't do 50 years ago. So that's what I'm just saying is that it seems like we're in this wild west of communications and this manosphere thing, again, just seemingly saying me looking into this sphere here was kind of like, okay, this way, that certain young men now are culturally talking about women and how to do this. Seems like some guys have figured out a grift and they're just saying, come follow me and you'll get all this kind of like some people in politics, like I just mentioned, and then those people end up just fleecing people. And in other parts, they're creating this grievance where some other young men are saying, well, everything. Maybe they're not paying and giving these guys money, but they're getting this indoctrination that they're victims, and that the reason why they're victims is because of women, because women doing well, that's part of this DEI pushback is some of the gender stuff. Women in positions of CEO, women being astronauts, women being fighter pilots, somehow is keeping the guy in his basement from doing what he wants to do well. And I just think it's that grievance.
[00:29:57] Speaker A: Well, the issue that I have with that, and you're correct in that, you know, like I or I. I would agree with you in that sense. And the issue that I have with that is that the first lesson, if you want to empower someone to.
To improve in their life, the first message you got to give them is that stop looking outside at other things, start looking inside. As far as how you can change your own behavior to get to what you're trying to get to. And so if your first move is to look at what somebody else has and get mad about that and have grievance about that, you're cutting your legs out already, you know? And so it's like, again, that's why I came away from it, feeling bad about the people that are getting these messages or feeling bad for them not to absolve them of any bad thing that they do because they have these messages or whatever, but it's just like, oh, man, Like.
And again, I think that the problem, the rigging, I believe it, you know, now, again, I just. When I look at the society being rigged, I'm just Looking at, well, who words, who's winning, whose wealth may grow by $600 billion over the course of a year, you know, and not doing anything different. That's probably what I'm looking at. Probably rigging stuff, you know, But. But that. That aside, I agree with that. But.
[00:31:13] Speaker B: But he's cool because he's got 100 kids, right? That's. That's the manosphere. He's cool.
[00:31:18] Speaker A: Hey, well, if you. To your point, if you buy, you know, Twitter, then you be whatever you want to be.
[00:31:24] Speaker B: Control the algorithm.
[00:31:25] Speaker A: Yeah, you're going to be algorithm at that point. But. But yeah. So to me, it was just like, oh, man, like, the problem is real and these people are being walked down a path that will only make it worse for them to the benefit of these people that are walking him down the path, you know, so it's unfortunate.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: I gotta say this.
I'm sorry, man, because you gotta. We're about to start another show because when you said internalizing, I started thinking of Buddhism, and I thought, we're gonna have a problem because them three Abrahamic religions don't really go for internalization. It's all about the devil. Something external as to why my life is not good and not.
[00:32:04] Speaker A: Or why am I becoming enlightened here? No, you're right.
[00:32:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Not me. Enlightening myself from within and, you know, challenging myself. And so, yeah, we might be in a different show.
[00:32:15] Speaker A: I know you mentioned it recently. You are well on your way to your theocracy that you. That you're gonna start for yourself.
[00:32:24] Speaker B: But if I start a Buddhist theocracy, then I can't control everyone. That's the problem.
[00:32:27] Speaker A: So you're working out. You're working out the Kings.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So.
[00:32:31] Speaker A: All right, well, we appreciate everybody for joining us on this episode of Call. I can see it. Subscribe to the podcast, rate it, review it, tell us what you think. Send it to a friend. Till next time. I'm James Keys.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: I'm Tunde Gona.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: All right, we'll talk soon.
