Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: For our call out this week, we take a look at the firestorm that's been created by the Trump administration's attempt to bury the Jeffrey Epstein matter.
Welcome to the Call. Like I see a podcast. I'm James Keys here with Tunde Ogonlana. And for our call out this week, we discussed the Trump administration's efforts to gaslight the public on the existence of the Jeffrey Epstein file and videos and so forth, and consider why so far they're having such a hard time getting Trump's followers to watch fall in line on this issue. So, Tunde, you know, we've seen over the past week or two, the Trump administration apparently made a concerted decision to they did an about face earlier this year. They were talking about all these files that they had and all these videos that they had and all this stuff they were going to release. And then as of, you know, maybe about July of this year, 2025, they started saying, oh, there is nothing and they're not releasing anything and everybody just needs to move on.
And this has created quite a firestorm, something that was surprising to me and I know to you as well, because there are, and what we understand now is that there are a lot of people invested in this and that we're expecting this stuff to be released and for there to be a lot of salacious stuff and a lot of crazy stuff. Their hopes had been really built up on what this may be, what may be in here and what they're going to find. And, and so now, you know, they are either don't know what to think or they're thinking that, you know, something's up, something's fishy with the Trump administration or, or what? Or what. And they don't know what to think from that standpoint. But people are mad. So what do you make first, let's talk about the about face. You know, like, so what do you think about the about face that we've seen from the Trump administration with Trump and Bondi and folks like that as far as these, the existence even of Epstein files, not forget about the fact that of whether they're going to release them, but just saying they don't even exist anymore.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: All right, so I'm going to answer your question. But for this show today, for the audience that's watching, not listening, I made a prop for the first time.
And so I have a tinfoil hat.
[00:01:58] Speaker A: On hat, literally a literal hat, but.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: I'm patriotic because, look, it's got American flags underneath, you see. So I made sure that, I made sure to Be a patriotic.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: That's true to the times, man. True to the correct.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: Yeah, so I won't be deported either. So it's cool. So you're gonna have to suffer this show with this stupid hat on, sir, because I took 10 minutes of my life to make it. So it's gonna be, it's gonna be.
[00:02:20] Speaker A: Hey man, knock yourself out, man.
I, I, I'm happy you're creating work, man.
[00:02:26] Speaker B: No, but, but no, because I want to answer now. I'll be serious after I was just stupid because the, the, the term that comes to mind. James, honestly, and I don't mean this to be flippant here, but it's like it reminds me of an abusive relationship. Seriously.
Because I know we're going to talk about this and I'm trying to also. It's been at long enough now that this has been talked a lot about. A lot. So a lot of people have heard kind of the basic stuff. So I don't want to go over too much what I think everyone's heard but going to 30000ft, everybody who watches this politics in his last few years understands that not only did you know the President of the United States use this type of issue just like Hughes birtherism and other types of conspiracies as part of his own wedge to ascend to power and get people's attention and so all that, but specifically as you cited some of the people he's brought into this second administration, some of them have built their careers in podcasting and cable news, specifically off the back of this issue of Jeffrey Epstein. And then others, like you said about the Attorney General have been very emphatic that there is a lot of evidence and I'm not just talking to list and how they're trying to walk that back, but she said specifically in several different press conferences that I've seen in interviews that there are thousands of photos I heard her say out of her mouth, there's 200 victims.
[00:03:55] Speaker A: Yeah. So no, she not from years ago. This was like her stuff since she's been Attorney General. Yeah.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: So you're right. So let's just recast this. James, it's July.
[00:04:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: All these people got into their jobs in late January, on January 20, or actually she was later because she got approved by the Senate. So the point is, is that yes, this is not old news. And that's what I mean by it's an abusive relationship and they don't respect their partner. Right. Meaning in this case their voters, their audience, the people that they that that have given them support because they have built this up so much.
And now and again, it's the COVID up, not the crime. As always. Right. Like, instead of having a good way to have. If they didn't want to release this stuff, they could have just said, okay, we got to have a good narrative. We got to have a game plan here. And they clearly did it because they don't.
[00:04:48] Speaker A: Like, they could have come up with. They released some stuff before and it was like, all this stuff's already been public. They could have done that again. And just all stuff that was already out. Oh, this is all there was. Like, I think you're right in the sense that they didn't even come up with that good of an excuse.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like a lack of respect.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Yeah. The old song, what was it, Shaggy? It wasn't me. Like, and it's like, woman walked in. In the room and he's there, like, say it wasn't you.
What?
That was the whole song, though. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. I know, but I saw you, man. But it wasn't me. And this. This feels like that to me. This is like, yo, they've been saying this stuff over and over and over and over again and, you know, over time and recently and now it's like, nah, there's nothing there, man. I don't know what you guys talking about. This is all. That's old news. It's like, wow. Like, so, yeah, the level of disrespect is what I really agree with you on is just like, wow. Because I wasn't waiting for this with bated breath. I'm taking skeptically everything that Trump has been saying about anything. It's like, oh, yeah, I know you'll say anything, you know, you need. You feel like you need to say at any given moment. But I see.
Well, let me say this. There were people who really, you know, were in on this and that the bargain that was offered to these people that were really in on this Epstein thing and really wanted to know what was happening on this is I want. Trump wanted undying loyalty in exchange for I'll release this stuff for you. And now it's like, I don't even know what you're talking. He's like, I don't even know what you're talking about.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: He's calling him stupid now.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: So it's an abusive relationship.
[00:06:20] Speaker A: So, yeah, the level of disrespect really stood out to me because, you know, it was just like, wow. Like, that's looking from again from the outside like it wasn't me that was sitting here offended or they believe. I didn't believe him when they said they all of this stuff, you know, but it was like, I believe what I see from my standpoint. But I was like, man, there were a lot of people that really believed you on that. And then just again turn around and say, no, there was nothing there ever. There was never anything there. It's like, what? That's. Wow.
[00:06:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, here's what I think is happening, James. We have, you know, this country has been misdirected in many ways on many different topics or in recent years. And I'm not going to say this election, but just for the purpose of this conversation, let's just talk about going into the 2024 election and you know, things that, that, that a lot of people recognize when they say them. I mean, things like dei, things like no wars, we're going to stop the Ukraine war on day one and we're not going to go into the Middle East. And all that stuff hasn't happened. And the opposite has happened. A lot of it. Right.
I thought DEI was about meritocracy. We have some of the most incompetent people at the heads of agencies that we've ever had. You know, the Defense Secretary, let's talk about the number two in the FBI. It's Wednesday today. He hasn't been at work since last Wednesday because specifically of this issue, like as if there's nothing else he's got to do on his job, is number two in the FBI. You see what I'm saying? So the level of incompetency is a joke. But what I'm realizing, James, is that I guess like what also I think the administration and the president himself thought is that, you know, yeah, you know, I'll do enough show for the crowd that thinks that DEI is whatever and they're going to be happy with me taking Jackie Robinson off the Arlington website. They're going to be happy with me talking smack in public firing Charles Brown from the Joint Chiefs. That's enough show to satisfy that group, the anti immigration group. They get satisfied with the alligator Alcatraz, the, with the flights and the well produced videos of people being taken to El Salvador. They seem to be satisfied with that just real quick.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: That's why those things are always so public.
For all we know, they should have been going around trying to actually find illegal immigrants and deport them and not have been silent about it. But that wasn't the M.O.
was like, we want you all to know that we're out here doing this and we're doing it in a mean way. We're sending them to third countries. They're not even free from, you know, we're putting them in, in these industrial prisons in Central America. Like, that stuff was very loud because it was to. It was that show, you know, that that was supposed to buy the emotion that, that the, the, the, the. The person that was, that wanted. That was coming.
[00:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah. And so here's what I realized, James.
People like you and I can see that. Right? We can see that. Misdirectors. Hey, man, you know, with all this stuff you talked about going into November of last year, you've basically done the opposite. Or you haven't focused on certain things that you said you would, blah, blah, blah.
[00:09:11] Speaker A: Or you've done it in a way of. Of style and not substance, so to speak.
[00:09:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And also. But we're not so passionate that we're going to get in the street about it. And I would say this. What I'm realizing is the people who. He's satisfied with some of these optical things, these optical illusions on these other topics, they also seem to not be as passionate about the topic itself. They're just satisfied. Okay, he's doing something about the. He doing something about immigration. I'm happy. What I think he miscalculated is that this group of people who are really about this Epstein stuff, they're going to die on this hill. This is a really big thing for them because. And I'm not part of that universe and that ecosystem online, and I'm not here to make fun of those people.
But what I realized in, and even preparing for today, how deep this goes back to the Pizzagate stuff. There's people that really do believe. There's cabals of elites in government, internationally, all that Hollywood, whatever, that hurt children. And this is a big deal to them. And so I'm not here to make fun of them.
[00:10:09] Speaker A: The people that are going to expose them all too. Remember, that's part of the.
[00:10:12] Speaker B: Correct. So that's where I'm going. I'm not here to make fun of them. What I think is sad, and that's what I mean, this is really sad, is that they were taken advantage of. This is why it's an abusive relationship. It appears that Trump never had a desire to release these documents.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: Right.
[00:10:28] Speaker B: And when now faced with it, he won't, people, period. And so that's where I think, James, this is interesting because I think the level of passion around this topic, this is why I think he's lashing out like an abusive partner when he's saying there's nothing to see here, just shut up. And calling his people stupid because he's frustrated.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: Weaklings.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah, he's frustrated that they just won't go away and accept his version of events. But I don't think, and that's what I mean, this shows the lack of respect, truly, that they have for their audience and their base, at least the base that, that believes in this stuff. Because why would they gin them up so much if they knew they weren't going to show it? Why would Cash Patel and Dan Bondino be saying what they said? Why would Pan Vomiti. So it shows that.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: Well, the alignment.
I want to talk about that here in a second because there's going to be movement on this and we're doing this at a given moment in time, but there's going to be movement in terms of whether people. Because we saw this, not necessarily to this extent, but we saw a big outcry after January 6th and there were people within the GOP coalition that were really upset and that they were grandstanding about, oh, this is unacceptable, yada, yada, yada. And it took a few weeks, maybe a month, and all of them got back in line, you know, basically, and saying, okay. And then now most of those people now will be saying, oh, this was all fake and yada yada, yada. But you go back and look at what they were saying when they were upset about that. And I think what we have to keep in mind with this is generally speaking that the Trump coalition is, is one built on in large part, and you talk about the numbers, the masses, it's built on emotion. It's built on people who have a certain dislike of something or a passionate dislike of something or a passionate fear of something. And those either fears or dislikes or just that kind of stuff is what they're fed that emotion. And that's why it's not something where it's like, okay, weighing this fact. You're weighing that fact. It's like, okay, what do you care the most about? Let me feed you some red meat to that. And then in exchange for that, you unconditionally support me. No matter what comes out about me. You can come out that I'm, I'm stealing. It can come out that I'm, you know, double dipping. It can come out anything about me. You have to stick with me because I'm, I'm feeding this emotional thing or I'm Feeding, you know, I'm fulfilling this emotional need for you, this thing that you care the most about. And so what we're seeing right now really is that, like, the. The people who care the most about the Epstein thing, they. They are. They realize now it's like, oh, he stopped feeding it to them. You know, it's like, oh, he's been feeding them, oh, we got something good for you. Or Pam, Bonnie, we got something good. It's about to drop. You know, it's about to be crazy. And they stop now. They're like, oh, we're not gonna feed you that anymore. You know, we're done feeding that to you. Figure out something else to care about. And that's kind of a. That's a big ask because, again, those people were selected for the fact that that was what they cared about the most. And so when you build on emotion, though, like, emotion can. Can. It is very good for control. Like, I remember, you know, we've done the book. We'll probably talk about it again soon, 48 laws of power. At the very beginning of that book, he talks about, like, once you go to emotion, you lose all control. Like, that's one of the first lessons he's talking about, is that you, yourself, you. You become emotional about something, you've lost control, the other person's taking control. So that's kind of the interplay, I think, that we're seeing now. And them doing this about face is pulling away this emotional or them feeding. It's satisfying this emotional issue for these people. And so now we don't know how it's going to unfold. We don't know what's going to go from here. And I'm going to ask you about that. Like, you know, like, generally speaking, you know, we've seen Trump's followers ultimately get behind pretty much everything he says or does. You know, like, like they'll find a way, you know, to get behind. And so do you think, you know, or why do you think they're having such a good time with this? Or is it just that we just haven't had enough time for them to. To. To. To swing back in and, and sit down and shut up?
[00:14:22] Speaker B: Like, he's telling them to do, like you said this. We're recording this very early into it, you know, kind of two weeks, ten days into it. So I don't, I don't.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: I'm not.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: I'm not going to make that prediction of how it plays out, because usually it plays out where he is able to maintain most of the basis support. So, so that, that could totally be the way it plays out this time. Even though right now it seems like this is the biggest scandal for him and his base that we've seen since in the two terms that he served, you know, the first term and then into this one.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: Well, I would think January 6th was comparable to this, you know, in terms of how.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: Well, let's put it this way, from.
[00:14:59] Speaker A: The elites, maybe not from the ground.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: I was going to say this base, I don't think so. They are baked in. I have friends that tell.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right about that.
[00:15:06] Speaker B: January 6th, FBI.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: Yeah, from the ground level, for sure. Yeah.
[00:15:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, and so I think that's what makes this different. I'm also seeing something as I watch, you know, stuff online that, you know, the podcast community on the right is beginning to break a bit. Some supporting saying we need to move on and listen to the president, others that are really digging in their heels, more so than I've ever seen. And so, and I think this may be an opportunity for some.
I've noticed, and I'm just speculating here, but I noticed someone like Megan Kelly who's been very aggressive about this, but I also was reminded when I was watching her on TV talk about this on her show, just on a clip, you know, this might be her moment to, to throw a jab back because remember, her whole reign at Fox News, she was a main anchor, big time news person, was derailed in 2016 because of her issue with Trump in one of the campaign debates. Remember that? He said blood coming out of her, whatever and all. And it kind of, that's what got her off of fox, the fact he didn't like her. So what I'm saying is we might see more of this, James, that once somebody looks a little bit wounded and they're limping more people that have an ax to grind may come out and start trying to chop them down. Whether it works or not, who knows? But this could be, you know, something interesting.
So that, that would be my thought there, James. But I agree with you that this one is different. And there's a thought I wanted to share that, that, you know, I want you to stay with me on this because when you talk about Passions, it reminds me of some of the discussions we've had about partisanship. Yeah, right. And, well, that's where I'm gonna go next.
[00:16:42] Speaker A: So.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah, so I'll, I'll save that for you because I want, I want to hear it. But one of the things that I Thought of in preparing for today is, you know, for the first time, you know, people like us have been concerned for a long time and been vocal about it. We did a show last year on Project 2025 about some of the risks representative government that have been taking place in this country over the last 20 years. You know, the whittling down of campaign finance laws, all that stuff. And so what I, what I thought of James is this is actually this crowd for the first time, this base, because we're not surprised by this stuff. But the people that are for the first time are getting a taste of what it looks like to live under a king.
Because what I thought is this is exactly how a king operates. It doesn't matter what scandal happens in a kingdom.
They will just tell you you can't see it. And if you keep asking you going to the gallows, period, or you're going to go to Alligator Alcatraz, you keep asking these questions. Number one. Number two, yesterday was, as we record this today, Congress had a vote on whether to use their role as an equal branch to the executive to investigate the executive as to what's going on here. Why is the DOJ playing these games? Why are they saying one thing and do another? Why you do give us something. They abdicated their responsibility and voted not to pursue this. So again, this is what a king looks like.
[00:18:01] Speaker A: Republicans leading that vote, you know, like that. There was one Republican that voted with the Democrats to try to force this. The rest of the Republicans in lockstep, you know, voted to keep it all secret and to not. Correct. So partisan issue at that sense.
[00:18:15] Speaker B: Yeah, so. And that's what I'm getting at. So. So we're watching the Congress not doing its job and allowing one man to make a decision about this. And then the last thing, and then I'll hand it back for the partisanship is then I'm thinking about the Attorney General and I thought she is representing the President of the United States to protect him.
And whatever's in those files, she's not representing the United States right now.
And this goes in contrast with Jefferson Sessions, who was the first Attorney general in the first term who recused himself when there was an investigation on some stuff because he said, I'm the Attorney General for the United States.
I'm not the personal lawyer for the President, United States. So that's what I thought of James, is just this is what it looks like with real centralized power when the justice system is protecting one man or whatever he wants, the people he wants, because clearly there's people, other people in these Jeffrey Epstein files and lists that he clearly sees a reason to protect, whether he's in it or not. He's not releasing them.
Everybody in the Justice Department is part of the executive branch, from Pam Bondi to Dan Bongino and Cash Patel. So there's no excuse. Donald Trump can tell them to go do whatever they want. I mean, whatever he wants them to do. And they got to listen or they get fired. And then I'm saying that's not necessarily.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: How it's supposed to work. You're saying that's how it's working right now?
[00:19:36] Speaker B: What I'm saying is he, if he wanted those documents released, they'd be released. It appears that he doesn't want them released. So they're doing his bidding, not the bidding of the United States to.
[00:19:46] Speaker A: Part of the reason why they're there, pedophilia, but part of the reason why they're there is because the things he learned in the first term, that you can't have people that will put their loyalty to the system over him. You know, and so he, instead of having a sessions or a bar, he has Bondi, who, if he says, you know, jump, she'll say, how hot. You know, and so that's kind of the point. So, yes, if he wanted this stuff out because of the kinds of people he put. He's put in charge, it would be out. If he didn't want it out, it's not going to be out, you know, and so, and like you said, we don't. It could be because he's in it. It could be because other people that he doesn't want to come out or who are, who are giving him lots of money, you know, through Trump coin or whatever, don't want it out. It could be for anything. It could be. It's. That's the point is that it's arbitrary. You know, there's. It's not.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: If Obama was in it, he'd release it if he was the only one.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: So, I mean, to me.
But I tend to think that this just. We're just too early in the process. I tend to think that all these people are gonna put their tail between their legs and they're gonna go right back to them.
Trump has positioned himself in a way I find pretty remarkable, as there are a lot of people, a lot of his followers, their happiness is tied to his success.
Him doing well makes them feel good about themselves.
And so I think, however he did that, you know, I get. Which I think is a Remarkable thing that he did, you know, there. But him, they feel anguish with him being attacked right now because their happiness is tied to him doing well and him being successful. This is why he can openly accept bribes, because it's like him winning makes them feel good, you know. And so I think, I think we're just too early in the process. I give it a couple of weeks and I could be dead wrong. This is quite a prediction because right now we're in the middle of the firestorm and it looks like it could be, this could get crazy, you know. But to me, I think we're just so early in the process that they are going to fall in line, tails between their legs. They're going to fall in line because they're going to want their feel good again. And he has conditioned them to get their feel good from him. They don't feel good about being an American, about being in a constitutional system, about, you know, the economy doing this or about something in their own. They feel good about Trump being their leader. And so I think that as long as that is in place for so many people. And again, I, how it happened, I'm not here to discuss, but that is what seems to have happened. And if that being the case, as we've talked about and he talked about, he could shoot somebody in the middle of the street and they may be, oh, why'd you do that? Oh, my God, that's crazy. And then a week later it's like, oh, you know, well, that person, you know, like they looked at him side eyes. It was reckless eyeballing, you know, type of thing. And then it's right back.
Yeah, exactly.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah, you might have to explain that one.
So that's almost, that's almost like the psychic ways you'd have to explain already that you already described. But I stayed quiet.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: But keep.
But some things are left, you know.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: That'S what the Google machine better left unsaid. Exactly. Let me, let me jump in here because there's another direction that I also had thought about because. So I'm going to bring up an article that I've printed that I found from September 16, 2022, because I really wanted to, James, coming into this discussion, not make it about ridicule and joking. I want to see what is it that there's this slice of our population. It might be 20, 25%.
Because I've been hearing this for years now, since kind of the Pizzagate stuff a decade ago about this thing about pedophiles and globalists and the elites and Da da da da da. And I'm not really into it. Right. So I kind of hear it on the periphery, but I'm like, wow, after this, I'm like, I didn't realize this was this, this big for a lot of people. And so what this tells me, James, it's another example of discussions we've had in the past about how fractured our information networks really are.
[00:23:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Because when you and I grew up, we were watching the same thing. Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, One of those three was what we were watching every night. And everybody, 80% of this country got the same information. And the people with hats like mine today, the tinfoil hat crowd, had to get it on pamphlets or had to get the mail in, you know, order stuff. And, and just it was less importantly.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: They were all dispersed. You know, they were a bunch of individual nodes, maybe connected to a small pod, but not each other.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: And, and we never had a leader of the country amplifying this kind of stuff too. So it's all kind of this swimming in this new stew and these ingredients that have gotten us here. So I'll just read a couple of highlights that they talk about. He started posting Q Related post. This goes to QAnon, which I believe was one of the main groups of people that started this back in the Pizzagate days in 2016.
Is Q related post in contrast to 2020, when he claimed that while he didn't know much about QAnon, he couldn't disprove its conspiracy theories. So this is him like with birtherism, flirting with a conspiracy, not going all in on it, but letting the people know who believe it, that he's giving them a wink like, yeah, you're not crazy to me.
I'll listen and I'm here. So, quote, pressed on QAnon theories that Trump allegedly is saving the nation from satanic from a satanic cult of child sex traffickers.
One of the gentlemen he Trump claimed ignorance but but asked is that supposed to be a bad thing? And then the next quote, next question is, if I can help save the world from problems, I'm willing to do it, Trump said. So my post point is it reminds me a lot of birtherism. Trump understood the nature of some people in this country in their psychology. Psychology they were disturbed by having a black president.
But in that, you know, we were at a time that it wasn't politically correct or accepted to use the N word and to be an open bigot. So birtherism was the off ramp emotionally, that a Lot of people that didn't like that fact that he was president, Obama was president, they got on that lane to say, okay, that makes me feel good.
[00:25:39] Speaker A: Now I can identify he was not legitimate. That.
[00:25:42] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: So now I can identify conspiracy. He's illegitimate, and so therefore he wasn't a black president.
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Correct. So, so, so, so if I say that that's the coded N word. Right. If I'm a birther, I, I can caucus whether the people who believe like me. And I think that's what happened here.
[00:25:57] Speaker A: With QAnon also, that that's an emotional, like, that's feeding someone that feels emotion, that gives them emotional fulfillment, you know, so it's the same. That's, that's the same kind of a thing that we're talking about here is that these things that nourish some. Someone's emotional kind of pre. What they're feeling, what they're thinking, it nourishes that.
[00:26:17] Speaker B: And I'll, I'll lean in further. It gives them a sense of purpose. Right. Which most people gravitate to a purpose. And this purpose now is protecting children, which is very important. I mean, that's why I want to say we shouldn't diminish the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile and there's real victims here. And that's my point is why it's disrespectful for the way the Justice Department said, you know, this is basically case closed and we're never going to look at it again. Well, how come there's people getting paid out of a victim's fund? You know what I mean? Like, why. Why is there acknowledgment that there was harm done here and for more people than just Jeffrey Epstein? So my point is just reading that stuff from 2022, that's why I wanted to bring that article up, because this is nothing new. It was a reminder to me that, wow, this has been going on a long time. And I guess this is an example that I just don't traffic in these silos of information online and all that. And I'm not saying I'm better than someone else.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: They.
[00:27:07] Speaker B: That's why they don't understand when I talk to them and tell them that the biggest benefactors of DEI were white women, then white men who were veterans, then white disabled men. So you had to go to number eight on the list to get the blacks as a beneficial group from dei. But that's not what they saw in their information networks. That's what I saw in mine. And that's part of the issue here is that these kind of things bubble up and you got portions of this country saying, what the hell is this about? And other people so passionate about it.
[00:27:35] Speaker A: So that's.
That it's not like everybody's aware of it and people are alive or the aware of the extent of it. And some people are like, oh, yeah, that's important to me. And other people like, no, it's not important to me. It's like this can catch people off guard. Like, you know, like, wow, you guys were, you guys were really good at this. And you guys, I mean, like, your expectations on this were, were really, really.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: Really, you know, dude, the deputy FBI director has not been to work for one week apparently, because he's upset about this. Like, there's nothing else for him to do in the FBI. There's no fentanyl coming across the border. There's no cyber espionage coming. There's nothing, none of that's there that's important. He's upset and he just walked off the job because of this. That's fascinating.
[00:28:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: I didn't know this topic was that important to the FBI director.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: But again, it's not, to be clear, it's not the topic of whether children were being taken advantage of. It's the topic of whether we're going to release information that we, that the government knows so that people can be held accountable. That's the issue we're talking about here. And so it's good to, I'm glad you pointed out, like, hey, if we're trying to protect children, that is, that is a great thing. But right now there's all this investigation stuff. And in order for accountability to happen with this stuff, the information is, should be made public. And that was what has been promised. And to turn around now and say that there is no information, it doesn't exist with, you know, like, is, is really like, like we talked about earlier, slap in the face. And. But like I said, I think the, because of the way that people have been conditioned, the people who are the, are the most upset about this because of the way they and their peers remember this is a community, you know, like, they look to each other to excuse this stuff because they got to stay together under the banner of Trump. And so in the, in the partisanship, I want to close up, but the partisanship point I was going to make is this is also why the, when Trump or the Trump administration talks about people they don't agree with, they use words like evil. They use words like these people are Wicked and things like that. Like when the other side, whatever it is, if these people were just like, oh man, these are decent people, we just don't agree with them. Or, you know, they think we should, we should go right and we think we should go left or, you know, that, you know, whatever. Like we think that the bridge should be built here, they think the bridge should be built there. Then it's much easier to when, when some, when, when your trust is betrayed like this, when you are played like this, it's much easier to say, you know what, I'm gonna rock with this guy for a little bit and see what they're talking about. But when the, when that guy. Other guy is evil, it's not just a disagreement. It's like that person's evil. That person is sitting around trying to figure out ways to, to do mean stuff to you, then that's not an option. So like you pointed out abusive relationship before, it's about isolating the person, you know, so that person feels isolated. Now that Trump supporter, Trump follower, they're isolated now. They can't go anywhere else. All they have is, is, is, is, you know.
[00:30:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:17] Speaker A: You know, like they got to go back to big Daddy because that's all they got, you know. Yeah. So that's where.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: If we had a legitimate.
[00:30:22] Speaker A: Well, I will say it's unfortunate. I want to wrap those up. But you said you have one.
[00:30:25] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I got one more. But I was just going to answer your. This point of view. If we had a legitimate opposition party, that would be maybe a place where people could fight, feel like they could go. But our politics is so dysfunctional. We're not there right now. But just to finish off. I wanted to make the point and just finish off on your partisanship point because I think it's important. Remember, this was a very hyper partisan issue. This group of people felt that it was Democrats, elite Democrats, Hollywood, you know, a certain group of people, right. People on the progressive left that generally were behaving this way. And that's another thing too, is that this is where it becomes more of a crash into reality. And the rocks of that they were conned because it was partisan. So Trump being a partisan person who doesn't like Democrats and who was.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: Who.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: Like, that's why I read the article.
Yeah, that's why I said I read the article from 2022 because he was campaigning on getting back into office to expose this evil. And I think it's just like, it reminds me of Lock Her Up. That's all I'M saying is that people seem to be satisfied that he didn't lock up Hillary Clinton, that he just said it and it was the show and all that. They seem satisfied he didn't build a wall. For some reason. This is the one they're not satisfied about. They want this one. And this is where I agree with you. We can't call it. It's too early, but it's going to be interesting.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I went out on that limb, though. But I'll tell you this, the craziest thing to me about it, and this is all speculation, so I'm not going to go deep in it, but you know, like the, the expectation, be like everyone else. Everything that was sold was, oh, this is all these Democrats and that we're going to expose them and stuff. The about face, like the most rational conclusion you can draw from that is it wasn't a bunch of Democrats that were in there. Yeah. It was like, was it a bunch of Republicans that are in there and now they're like, oh, we can't release this stuff. I don't know. But the way that they behaved suggests that all of this stuff they were looking into, it wasn't, especially the congressman.
[00:32:19] Speaker B: The fact that the Congress didn't even do it and it's Republican led tells me, yeah, they got some of their.
[00:32:24] Speaker A: Own in their people that are in here. It clearly isn't the people that you would love to expose.
[00:32:28] Speaker B: Exactly. You know, and so apparently Obama wrote it with Biden, so. Yeah.
[00:32:33] Speaker A: So I mean, I think that the story's not over, obviously, because again, it is something people care deeply about. But like I said, the way that this is, has been the way things have been positioned, though, I think that they're going to end up feeling like they have nowhere else to go. So, yeah, they got it. And that's very important.
[00:32:53] Speaker B: James, in order to get back in.
[00:32:54] Speaker A: The group, they're going to have to disclaim their, their free thinking and they're going to have to say, you know, I, whatever the leader says is what I'll do. And that's unfortunate, you know, that's unfortunate because that's not really how our system.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Is supposed to work.
I agree with you, man.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, for the rest of us who aren't, you know, swimming in that stream, you know, we're just looking around like, man, you know, like what? This is crazy to see, you know, like this is something that half of us or even, maybe even more that are looking around like, man, this is quite a firestorm you know, but you know, it's, it's something that, again, I'm not happy to see this. You know, it shows.
[00:33:28] Speaker B: I would counsel everyone, don't make fun of these people if they starting to talk to you and being curious about why you don't think that way. I think we all need to be very gracious right now. And if anyone's willing to jump off that train and to say, I'm willing to look at something new because I really feel that I was conned, don't say, well, you voted for this and all that. Just start talking to him and start bringing them back into normalcy. Because that's the only. This is a democracy. So we need enough people getting off this hyper partisan stuff and calling other people evil and all that for us to write. This is really about all of us together.
[00:33:59] Speaker A: So, so, but I think we can, we could call, call this, call this an episode, you know, from there. Excuse me. So we appreciate, right, for joining us on this episode called I Can See it, subscribe to the podcast, rate it, review it, tell us what you think, send it to a friend. Till next time, I'm James Keys.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: I'm Tunde. And I hope I never have to wear this hat again.
[00:34:19] Speaker A: Yeah, and we had another episode this week, so check that out and we'll talk soon.
