Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: In this episode, we are going to react to a recent piece from Popular Mechanics that asserts that humans are naturally telepathic. And later on, we take a look at some recent research that suggests that a man's manhood size is actually more important to his feelings than it is to women.
Hello, welcome to the Call like I See it podcast. I'm James Keats, and joining me today is a man who, if you've ever seen him podcast, you know he's got that shine. Tunde. Ogonlana Tunde, Are you to make ready to make sure we don't become dull and fall into that all work and no play trap?
[00:00:49] Speaker B: Yeah, man. Hold on. I'm impressed, though. Are we talking Stephen Kingshine?
[00:00:54] Speaker A: Yes, we are. That's.
[00:00:55] Speaker B: That's impressive, man, because you know, doctor Sleep, you know, that's a through line to Shining.
Now I'm impressed.
[00:01:04] Speaker A: Now, before we get started.
[00:01:05] Speaker B: Now I'm flattered.
[00:01:06] Speaker A: Yeah, before we get started, I ask that if you enjoy the show, you subscribe and like the show on YouTube or your podcast app, doing so really helps the show out. And recording on February 3, 2026 and Tunde, we recently saw a piece that laid out the scientific case that humans are naturally telepathic.
Now, this case introduced the idea of neural coupling and demonstrated using brain scans that in many type of cases involving communication or interaction, that the brave waves of involved people can synchronize in ways that establish a deeper connection between the people. So, Tunde, what stood out to you in this research? I mean, this is naturally telepathic or the shine is something that is pretty crazy, man.
Yeah.
[00:01:51] Speaker B: Well, let's go with the shine because this would be fun, which is kind of fascinating to really think on a serious note, that a lot of I'm sure these stories, right, even ancient stories about people's ability to communicate with their mind, maybe this article and this kind of scientific research shows that there's something behind it.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: Maybe they knew something we didn't know, or some of them go back in places.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, listen, I'm fascinated by the fact that ancient scriptures, whether it's the Talmud, whether it's the Bhagavad Gita, whether it's Buddha's teachings, they talk about things like brainwaves and vibrations.
And so it's interesting that thousands of years ago, human beings still understood, like maybe they didn't know about the string theory in the way that we understand it by looking at electron microscopes and all that, but they understood the relation of nature, of kind of everything's connected and the idea of waves and that.
[00:02:52] Speaker A: We'Re connected to things also.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: We're connected and so to nature. And even if you look at the Germanic tribes, the way that they worship trees and things like that, there was a very holistic way that humans all over the earth looked at our relation to the rest of the reality and physical and all that. So it's like one of those things that, you know, we don't get enough, like, absolute proof, like, okay, the one plus one equals two on this one. But there's enough of this type of information I've seen just throughout my adult life to say, you know, there's. There's. There's. There's enough smoke there. I think there's a fire somewhere out there.
[00:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah, well, now they're matching brain scans, you know, like. So that's. Now we are getting into the kind of the way that. Yeah, you know, modern science tries to establish things, you know, with the brain scans and stuff. I'll tell you, the. You know, they had different scenarios that they talked about, you know, one with, like, an adult and an infant, you know, which was pretty interesting on how that happened. But the one that got me was the one that they talked about how when. When heterosexual people are kissing, how the brain, you know, in some cases, not all the time, but in some cases, those scans can align depending on, you know, I guess, the people and their connection and so forth like that. So that was really cool to me, you know, because it's like, okay, yeah, that's.
In a way, you're like, okay, you can see how this. Or other kinds of behaviors, if this is possible, if this may happen, why you may have a deeper or stronger connection or feel a deeper or stronger connection with one person versus another.
And you might have known that at certain times, like, oh, yeah. Or it just.
Sometimes you have a greater affinity for some people than others. And you can put that on superficial things, but sometimes it's not superficial things and. Or superficial things may be all relatively equal, but it's just you. You're digging somebody, you're feeling somebody. It's like, I wonder if that's a thing. You know, and then the other thing, though, and this isn't in the piece, but made me think about, is that with humans, you know, like, we're a wall. You know, there's tall people, there's short people, there's strong people, there's weak people, there's smart people, there's people that are less smart.
And so I wonder, you know, like, my now mind naturally goes with this, it's like, oh, hold up. So there are probably people that are. Whose brain is better at this? And I wouldn't say that that correlates to intelligence, you know, like. But just. Whose brain is more. Is stronger at making these connections or receiving these connections than others, you know. So what does that mean? You know what I'm saying is that like, you know, are there people out there that are. That are able to influence our minds or is that like a way to, you know, you can get power or wealth or adoration because you're able to, you know, project your brain scan or your brain waves and other people start getting in the same rhythm as you. Like, I just. They're outliers in everything with humans. So I imagine there's outliers with this as well. And so there are people up to no good while we know that are synchronizing our brain waves and being like, okay, yeah, we would not. It's not Jedi mind trick necessarily, but you know something, you know, and I know I might have got you with that reference, but please take it away.
[00:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's. So they got me thinking that when I was reading that article about things like women's menstruation cycles, that we know that when women live together.
Yeah, yeah. That they start menstruating on the same cycle. And it's just interesting, right? Like, just somehow their bodies are in tuned and for whatever reason, you know, maybe evolutionary or something, it just makes sense, I guess. The women ovulate at the same time, you know, so. So that's, to me, is fat. I never understood how that works. And I have already got a grown daughter, so being in a house with my wife and a teenage daughter when they're both at the same time of the month, not liking me wasn't fun. But I can tell you that it's real. So that was one. The second was the concept of quantum entanglement. If we can get real. Oh, here we go. The idea. Here we go. So, yeah, I was coming for you.
And so the idea that two particles can be on other sides of the universe and still be entangled, interact with each other, mirror each other. Yeah.
So, you know, if we're made up of particles, right.
And that's in our brains and we know that particles can be entangled at vast distances.
Then again, this.
That doesn't mean that A equals B. Right. Or whatever, one plus one equals two, but it does tell you. Okay, there's something there. Yeah, this, this, this. I can believe this.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that space or distance is not a determin on the ability to interact, you know, and so, no, I mean, like, that's real that I, I didn't think we'd go quantum, but I guess I should have thought that, that that's.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: My mistake, you know, I was ready for you.
[00:07:46] Speaker A: But no, I mean, when you think about it though, in that context, I mean, and I think about this often anyway, and whether it be in the context of religion or just our interaction with our, with, with our surroundings, is that there are things going on that we don't necessarily fully perceive of or definitely that we don't understand even in our current. Like we may understand why it rains while a thousand years ago they didn't understand why it rained. But there's still things going on that we have vague to no perception of and, or things that we maybe can perceive at a certain level but not a full level and don't understand and so forth. So this to me just falls into that trap.
The ability to observe something, not know the mechanism that's making it happen, but yet still believe it and still like, okay, incorporate that into your life. We're able to do that. You just gave an example from your own, you know, like life, you know, over the past 20 years or whatever that. Or 15 years or whatever that where that was something you observed. You can't look that up and they'll give you some detailed reason why, but you know, it's happening, you know, you know it's happening. So sometimes this is where science can get us into trouble because with science, a lot of times if we can't quantify and measure it, then we're like, it doesn't exist. And it's like, well, that's not going to work. Religion was better with that, you know, like, okay, now religion is not infallible. You know, like they came up with some, some cockamamie things on this far, hey, we gotta, you know, go sacrifice virgins in order to make it rain. So. But the fact that they didn't understand the mechanism didn't stop them from, see, from believing there was a connection. So I think though, but back to the point though, science a lot of times will try to convince us that things don't exist if they can't quantify them. And that's just with our state of little knowledge relative to what's going on, it's just a very dangerous kind of mindset to have. And I'm not, I'm not a person advocating against science. I think science is good, but I just think it's always important in any venture. But you know, science and religion, you know, like to understand the limitations and to not try to paper over the limitations, but actually to. To appreciate, to respect the limitations of what you're doing at a given moment so that you can then fully gain the benefits of something and try to avoid some of the worst outcomes.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: Yeah, man. And I'll finish on. This is going to sound stupid, but it's serious. And reading the article.
Yeah, no, because I am serious, but it's going to sound stupid.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: I realize glasses on first, then I have.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: I can. But no, they're kind of far away.
[00:10:22] Speaker A: Go ahead.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: I only got my readers, so I can't look at the screen.
But that's how old I am. I got readers now. But no, the.
It's funny, my chocolate lab, I was thinking about it, my Labrador retriever, my dog that me and that dude are quantum entangled mentally like crazy. And that's what I was thinking. That like my wife makes fun of us. Me and that dog are so close and both of us know, like if that dog has one hair off. I know.
And that dog watches me so much, he know what kind of clothes I put on if he's, you know, he'll tag his tail will wag or won't wag because he'll know if I'm leaving. And I kind of realized I was like, man, that's another example where there's this kind of connection mentally between the two beings. Right? Like he's a dog, I'm a human.
But we are so close from an emotional standpoint in proximity every day. Because especially since I started working more out of the house since the pandemic, right?
[00:11:20] Speaker A: Oh man, I thought you were gonna say especially since you got that shine.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: Well, maybe I always had the shine. And this is the example that it's there. Hey, but you know, it's cool that sometimes my dog talks. So that might be when the actual shine is working. I know we really can't talk, but when he talks to me is like, okay, but nah.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: Since you said since you. Since the pandemic, you've noticed it even more.
[00:11:42] Speaker B: Well, just because. Since I work from home, more work, you know, just because of the way reality has become for all, most of us, you know, you figure he's an eight year old dog and it's been six years since the pandemic. So most now most of his life, he's been around me almost every day, just constantly. And so there becomes this.
That's what I mean. It's kind of weird. I was thinking about it reading, I was like, shit, I'm entangled with this dog.
But it's cool because in the end it teaches me something new, like what's a relationship? And I don't mean this in a weird way or a gross way. I'm just saying, like the dog is a relationship for me emotionally. Right. He's my buddy in a certain way and I'm his buddy. So there is a connection there. Even though I can't do calculus equations with him and I can't talk to him about philosophical stuff. Right. But there's still an entanglement there at a kind of mental and emotional level. So it's interesting.
[00:12:34] Speaker A: That wasn't a part of the study, but it definitely sounds like a logical extension of it would say. I mean, I. I was going to finish with the point that you, you kind of anticipated. There was just that. The other thing I thought about this is the longer you're around someone, I want. I would imagine that even if the connection doesn't immediately. And then the brain waves necessarily might not immediately snap in. Like with some people it might snap in immediately. And it's just like, like I said, you got a vibe, you know, I just got the vibe like that. But other times it may be like you're around somebody enough and then these waves start to align also. Because in the article they're talking about the brain as like a wireless transmitter, so to speak, you know. And so in that kind of context, there's a lot of directions and a lot of ways that you can see how something like this can impact our, again, communication and interaction, you know. And they talk about how, you know, the interaction and communication. Well, interaction, of course, but communication, you know, it's a, it's a two way thing, so to speak, in that it's a lot. It's understandable how if this is a phenomenon, which again, they're establishing that it is, that it happens and they talk about things that require creativity and cooperation are things that can bring it out even more. And so I imagine the more you're around somebody, it's something that can increase it as well. So.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I would think, man, that got me thinking about things like, you know, whether the military and boot camp, how they have team sports too, young men, team. Yeah, and team sports, you know, kind of like. Or even like when you do a retreat and they have you do physical things, like, you know, people, you know, you fall down into the crowd and you gotta trust that they're gonna Catch you that kind of stuff. I think you're right, James, that, that's all. Whether the people who created that stuff understood how it actually worked or not. Or they just saw the results builds those connections.
[00:14:18] Speaker A: They could have just saw the results, but again not understood why.
[00:14:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:14:21] Speaker A: You know, like. Yeah, we're gonna lean into it.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And maybe that's the foundation of things like trust. Right. The ability to build trust is to build these kind of unseen entangled connections between the brains alignment and maybe that is something like divorce. And all that is when those subconscious connections break down.
[00:14:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Or at least part of it. You know, like a factor that might.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: Means we got to do a follow up show when people fight what causes that.
[00:14:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Well, they got to do a follow up study but. And so the last thing I'll add before we close this up then is that with that, with what you just said, one of the interesting things was they said it's not. It can happen remotely, but it's stronger in person.
So you know that that leads to kind of how life has changed a little bit and where people are less in person. I wonder if that means that we have less opportunity to get our brainwaves kind of aligned and so forth.
[00:15:10] Speaker B: Or maybe we're a bit confused because we're aligning with people that are all over the place in the Internet. Hey, it feels a bit weirder than normal. Like day to day. No, for sure how we've normally done it as humans.
[00:15:21] Speaker A: Yeah. So.
[00:15:22] Speaker B: So but I think someone needs to do this follow up study. This is actually interesting. No, no, it's not going to be me, but I'll be looking out for it.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So. But no, I think we'll part from here. We'll have a second part of today's episode as well coming up shortly. So please join us for that as well. We appreciate again always for joining us on call like I see a podcast and we'll talk to you soon.
For our second part of our discussion today we have a special call out where we discuss recent research that suggests that manhood signs is actually more important to men's feelings than it is to women. We are releasing this on our audio feed today. But we do release special call outs sometimes on our YouTube feed. So for audio listeners, please be sure to check out our YouTube page from time to time as well.
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Welcome to the Call like I See it podcast. I'm James Keys here with Tunde Oglana and Tunde, for our call out this week, we are going to react to some recent research that argues that manhood size, so to speak, is actually more important to a man's feelings or to men's feelings than it is to women.
So you sent me this and you said that you thought that this was a very interesting and telling piece, this research, that we won't have it in the show notes. So tell me, what was your reaction? Why did this stand out to you as something that you're like, yeah, this is what was interesting. What was interesting about this?
[00:16:44] Speaker B: No, it's funny, James. That's why to me, this stuck out, because I think it points a lot to the.
I'll say this and beat up our tribe, the insecurity of a lot of men.
And because I just think that we project out. I think this is a human trait. A lot of humans, we, as humans, we project out on others things that we have inside of us, whether it be an insecurity or a fear or something like that. And I think that for a lot of men, you know, the size of their junk is something that they can be insecure about.
Some may not be, but I think many probably are when they don't need to be. You know, that, you know, especially as men with other things, when you think about money, when you think about clothes, when you think about cars. Right. We like to compare ourselves with other men and see, you know, where we stand in the pecking order type of thing. And so I think, you know, obviously one's manhood and one's junk between their legs is clearly one of the greatest representations of what being a man or manhood can. Can what can signify that. So, you know, I think the idea that women care less about it than we care about it in our minds is just something kind of amusing because I think it's true. I think women care more about things like security, companionship, you know, things that. And I'm not saying that in extreme cases, women don't care that if a guy really had a very, very small junk down there that she. There would be no issue for the woman. I think, yeah, there's.
There's extremes on everything, but in general, I think it's something that most men probably do worry more than necessary about.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think you got to beat up men at all in this scenario because the piece that we reviewed for this, it'll be in the show. Notes talked about how this is evolutionary.
So one of the things that was really interesting about this Is that it talked about how for primates, for those type of species, males, human males, the size of their manhood is larger in proportion than other primates. And they think that this is because it evolved in a way as more kind of ornamentation for attracting partners. So it's wired into us to know that is something that, hey, that can make it happen for us in terms of our ultimate goal, which is procreation. So it seems like we're wired this way to, to care a lot about this. You know, the thing that was really interesting to me about the study was that when, when like, they were showing women, they would show women men's bodies and they would show the men men's bodies and, you know, say, okay, like, and try to react to their. Or try to get their, their impressions and what their reaction. And so women tended to. To be attracted to, you know, the V shape, the broad shoulders, narrow waist, that and the size of the manhood.
And up to a certain point, though, up to a certain point, the bigger the proportions of the shoulders and the size of the manhood, up to a certain point, women were like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then a certain point, it leveled off. For men, it was the size of the junk, how much they were intimidated by a potential rival. Just kept going forever. It never leveled off. It was just like, yo, this.
The bigger a guy is more the guy. Other guys around him are intimidated by it. And so if you think from an evolutionary standpoint, again, and that's how you come to that conclusion, like, oh, well, that's because men seeing each other as in competition for procreation, for mates, then they're going to see that as that. That's. If that's ornamentation, if that's like, yeah, yeah, that's for a buck. You know, we got the antlers and stuff. For a man, it's like, yeah, you know, so it made sense to me. I actually felt like I should say this delicately, but I'm just going to throw it out there. I felt like it let men off the hook a little bit. It's like, yeah, we're wired crazy well.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: We are.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
And if you think about the wiring, that's why I say what I said about women too. I mean, women traditionally, through these studies have been wired to want to seek males as mates that can provide for offspring.
Right? And that. And that are protectors. And so that means that, yes, the broad shoulders and the size of the overall man also, you know, to a.
[00:21:11] Speaker A: Woman is an evolutionary standpoint when physical prowess would be a matter of how much you. Food you could get.
[00:21:19] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I mean.
[00:21:20] Speaker A: Like.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: Like a man that is taller and maybe has broader shoulders, but maybe a smaller package down there than a guy who's, you know, much shorter, with a bigger package, the woman might be attracted to the taller guy with the smaller package who has more.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: Now, just like you're saying, though, Tunde is making this up. He did not get this from the research, or I shouldn't say making it up. He's extrapolating from the establishment.
[00:21:45] Speaker B: I'm trying not to.
Yeah. Just.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: There's no. I don't think there's a scientific.
[00:21:51] Speaker B: Trying to have a serious conversation.
[00:21:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: In a scientific way about a conversation that can go left at any second. So.
But, you know, it's interesting too, James, because think about it.
You think about modern technology and how that's probably changed this conversation. So think about this 100 years ago, 500 years ago, 5,000 years ago, not everybody had access to see what a bunch of other people looked like and how their junk looked. Think about it in the last, you know, 50 years that, you know, porn, the technology for porn to be disseminated all over the place.
Think about what is done to men and the potential to get more insecure. Because think about it, if you're thinking about anything, what's related to entertainment, it's. It's not real. Right. A lot of times. So a lot of.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: But.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: But if you think about the porn industry, you know, the porn directors and casting people, they generally hire men to be, you know, on the set and to be in the scenes that have much larger, you know, junk down there between their legs in proportion to the overall population. So I think a lot of men also just, you know, in the recent generations, the idea of how big, you know, someone else's stuff is compared to theirs might be a bit warped because of how we're. How we're ingesting. You know, I love the way you're.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: Going to bed for the men, man. Because, you know, there's a lot of information out there about how the porn industry has created unreasonable expectations for women, you know, like, in terms of. Well, but I think for men too, or, you know, like what they. All that they have to look like or what they're. What they should be doing.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: I think that's.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: So you're pointing out.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: I think it's for them too, you.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: Know, what you're pointing out now, how that there's two ways of that, you know, like there's, there's guys that may be walking around feeling intimidated because they see the size of other people and maybe just decide that hey, maybe I'm just gonna opt out. Yeah.
[00:23:44] Speaker B: I mean, but think about this.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: Well, no, let me, let me. They may just be deciding to just opt out of that kind of life, you know, of having sex, you know, because they look at certain things and like, oh man, I think they can't compete.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that, that then can drive more of what we hear about like in sales and this kind of toxic masculinity. Because especially young men, you know, think about 18, 20 year old, 25 year olds, if they're sitting at home and they're not getting any, they don't have the relations with the opposite sex of things that they, or in some cases maybe the same sex things that they, that men need, you know, that the testosterone needs the release periodically. Then yes, it's going to manifest itself in the young man in other ways.
[00:24:23] Speaker A: Well, no, no. And, and, and men are wired to be intimidated when they see men with larger and larger stuff. And that stuff is everywhere on the Internet. Then that could mess your mind up a little bit.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. That's a great point. Because you're intimidated subconsciously, maybe not, you know, the guy's not sitting there, you know, in the same room or anything with you. But it makes you feel inferior.
[00:24:46] Speaker A: If this is evolutionary, then yes, it's happening unconsciously. Like you're not getting.
[00:24:52] Speaker B: So that's what I'm saying is that.
[00:24:53] Speaker A: And you see yourself as deficient compared to that. That could play a trick.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: And that's what I'm saying, that this could be playing out different for human society today because like we've talked about just in random discussions about history. Think about life in a village 500 years ago or a thousand years ago, or hunter gatherers, meaning men only saw the men that are within their town and then they didn't necessarily see them naked all the time. Right. I mean, if you were swimming in the lake or something, you saw a couple dudes.
[00:25:20] Speaker A: I love the level of expertise you have of men in villages five, 600,000 years ago.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: Well, you know, I have a great plastic surgeon. I'm a lot older than I appear I was around back then.
But no, but it's just this idea. And I think you're right with the.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: Same thing with women.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: And not just porn, but the way all entertainment. I think the way we see women on screens is unrealistic. Unfortunately for a lot of women to have to try and compete and hold on to that. But I think you're right.
From an evolutionary standpoint, if human males are intimidated by other men who are larger than them, and in this case we're talking about in a sexual way, and that may cause them to retreat and not even try to then. Or be intimidated about how to deal.
[00:26:09] Speaker A: With women if they're surrounded by it, if they're, if it's happening unconsciously and they're surrounded by it in their entertainment spheres, which the Internet does.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, that's a huge issue because they, the, the male frustration, again, will play itself out, usually through violence and other ways in society. They're going to go out and do other stuff.
[00:26:27] Speaker A: Well, let me, Let me jump back in.
Yeah, let me jump back in. Because the other thing I wanted to mention on this and like, kind of just going through the study was how, like, I thought you did a good job of connecting broad shoulders, large size of a person to the, the idea of what it would take to be a good provider in a society where if your physical imposing, this would directly correlate to how much, how, how easily and how consistently you'd be able to provide food, shelter, whatever.
You know, what's interesting to me is like thinking about, I was thinking about in a modern life, in modern society, I wonder if like a luxury car has replaced broad shoulders, you know, because the signals for what conveys to the opposite sex, hey, I'm, I would be a good provider. Have changed, you know, like now I would imagine. And you know, like, my experience has been that the broad shoulder thing, you know, still exists because again, that's, that's, that's millions of years of wiring. But the, there are probably additional signals that are, that are social cues that also convey that message now, which, you know, one may cause other men. If it's, if it happens both ways, then it's like, oh, that may be something noted and attractive and that women may, some women may find attractive. It also would cause other men maybe to be intimidated by that, you know, and so forth. So I think it's interesting anytime you're looking at this stuff and you're trying to unpack, because the point that was really interesting to me about this was the evolutionary nature of it and the fact that this thing was considered ornamentation, you know, that had evolved larger than other primates relative to size because it was helping people be more successful in attracting partners. Because that's why it would, you know. Yeah, that's why it would.
So the fact that there's an evolutionary component. To me, because I just never even considered that there'd be an evolutionary component to that, you know, until now. So I found it to be interesting. Any last thoughts? We close it up.
[00:28:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I think you hit it on the head with the, the, the luxury car, the big home, you know, the yacht, all those things replacing from an evolutionary standpoint what the broad shoulders were during the hunter gatherer phase.
[00:28:36] Speaker A: Because you're right, that's the case. Man, like I've never seen your manhood. So, you know, good thing. But I know you, you hit all those other markers, man. You got the shoulders, you got the house, you got the, you know, I think, think you're winning, man.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Amen. So, hey, thank you, but I'm just going to leave that one alone.
[00:28:59] Speaker A: But, and you're gracious. And you're gracious.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: There you go. Let me, let me, let me just, let me just finish in an eloquent way from a scientific, you know, angle. So, so I don't get us in trouble here. No, but that's what I'm saying, James. If you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint of procreation, the male is going to be hierarchical because he's going to be intimidated by the one who looks more dominant.
He's going to want to dominate or move past the one that looks more inferior, all to get to the female so we can procreate. But if you look at the female from evolution, the female is saying, okay, I know procreation is important, but once I'm pregnant, once I'm raising a young child, I'm vulnerable, right? I can't defend myself, I can't go forage for food, all the stuff from the evolutionary periods or hunter gatherer days. So I need a man that can provide, right? I gotta be able to trust that this man, when I'm pregnant and when I'm breastfeeding a six month old can go out and kill the bison. And so today men don't need to go kill a bison. Many to go work, men need to go provide a roof over the head. Men need to go, you know, make money. And what are the expressions of money? It's watches, it's cars, it's yachts, it's fancy houses. So I think you're right. I think that has replaced what used to be physical ornaments for men.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: I don't think it's replaced it though. I think it's just added. It's additional, it's added on top because those other physical, let's put it this.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: Way, maybe it's not replaced or even additional. I think it's why the issue of the size of a man, of a man's manhood is more of an issue for the men is because that was never the main thing for women necessarily. It was about can you just, you know, make sure that I'm safe when I have a baby so that I can, you know.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: So that does indicate, though it is, it is a consideration for the women, you know, just up to a certain point, you know, like, it does indicate that, you know, again.
[00:30:53] Speaker B: Well, if we're going to have conversations about season, then yes. So then that's a whole different show.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: Hey, man, that's why I said I was talking about trying to keep it clean material here, man, the source material.
[00:31:04] Speaker B: I was trying to keep it clean and now you're making it make me go crazy.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: No, but no, I think we can wrap from there.
[00:31:09] Speaker B: That means we got to end it. Yeah, yeah, I think we can wrap from there.
[00:31:12] Speaker A: We appreciate everybody for joining us on this call out check out. We also have a show, a longer show released today, so check that out as well. And until next time, we'll talk soon.
